Take your clothes off, we need to talk
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I don't think you're wrong that we should let people do what they want but it's definitely troubling that so many people want pre pubescent hairlessness in their partner. Maybe we should do away with whatever is causing that
I see it as a supernormal stimulus: women's bodies are less hairy than men's, so a hairless body is the most feminine. Or, the young are less hairy than the old, so hairlessness is the most youthful.
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Let's just let people groom themselves however they prefer. We need to normalise accepting bodies of all kinds instead of pushing people to some particular ideal.
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I might be able to get used to being around nude sauna users. But I wouldn't want to be nude myself when using a sauna. Unortunately, I live in an area that doesn't have any single Texitilsauna within range. Looks like the only way how I can ever sauna in my neighborhood will be by suing the owner of a sauna.
@shaserlark @KornblumenratteYeah I think I’d also be fine with others being naked, like I don’t like it but who am I to tell others how to live their lives. What bothers me is this militant attitude towards nakedness, you’re going somewhere to relax but it really is an oppressive space.
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It's a funny post, but a serious point. The Europe of my childhood was different countries all very different from the US. But over time American media and algorithmic dominance are eroding things toward being America with accents. And what will you get for throwing away that cultural identity? Americans will still sneer at Europe.
I think a trickier question is: if Europe ought to retain its own identity, then shouldn't each European country retain its own identity instead of banding together as "Europe".
My view is that it's not necessary to pit regional identity vs European identity. I think it's possible to have them side by side. I appreciate many things in my region that make up our identity, but at the same time as a European I can also appreciate many cultural aspects of other regions
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They rarely serve a plot purpose, and getting pulled into a woodchipper is in fact worse and less normal than having sex.
Violence often does serve a purpose. For example, in superhero movies it's often how the heroes stop the bad guys. That teaches us important lessons about life, like that we should shoot health insurance CEOs.
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so... Why are we naked?
Because it's artistic and natural.
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he wants to look at boobs
Amen to that.
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We, the continent-born of the Enlightenment, the revolutions, the renaissance of nudity on canvas, in stone and on film - we have allowed a country that bottles cheese in cans, of all things, to tell us what is ‘moral’!
No more prudish double standards!
Europe: symbolized by naked chick who gets raped by a bull.
OP: Europe is morally-constrained in aesthetics, must cast off these constraints.
It should be interesting to see where this goes...
She is raping the bull bro learn art
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I see it as a supernormal stimulus: women's bodies are less hairy than men's, so a hairless body is the most feminine. Or, the young are less hairy than the old, so hairlessness is the most youthful.
Though one could argue that it is solely cultural, based on the fact that those preferences do change over time
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We are Europe. We are culture. We are naked! - So, metaphorically. And sometimes literally. And that’s okay.
We are human beings all living in the same planet. If your concern is nudity and the bigotry around it, i don't think you are going to find much freedom behind the walls of authoritarian countries and "europe"
I'm surprised to see your little tricks got upvotes this time. Your pro-russia content is usually too obvious to stand a chance. This comment did not fool me however
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I assume that you haven’t watched any American TV shows for the past couple of decades. Nudity and gratuitous sex scenes are a staple of the American entertainment industry.
Funny, I was under the opposite impression: nudity has almost disappeared from US shows.
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That's also true. Actually, I think they're both intended as pornographic in their own way.
I think, there is a strong difference between pornography and artistic nudity and those should not be viewed as the same.
From Wikipedia on Nude (Art):
Kenneth Clark noted that sexuality was part of the attraction to the nude as a subject of art, stating "no nude, however abstract, should fail to arouse in the spectator some vestige of erotic feeling, even though it be only the faintest shadow—and if it does not do so it is bad art and false morals". According to Clark, the explicit temple sculptures of tenth-century India "are great works of art because their eroticism is part of their whole philosophy". Great art can contain significant sexual content without being obscene.
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Comrades of the European Internet Forum,
enough is enough!
For decades, we have placed ourselves in the cultural shadows - well-behaved, conformist, as if we were the ill-educated child of the great American moral uncle, who must not be too loud, not too naked and certainly not too independent. While half-naked shoulders are censored at high school graduation ceremonies in the USA, heads are thrown around like bowling balls in TV series. All normal, all ‘entertainment’. But woe betide you if you see a nipple - then the censorship hammer screeches louder than a Trump on Truth Social.
I ask you: What has become of Europe?
We, the continent-born of the Enlightenment, the revolutions, the renaissance of nudity on canvas, in stone and on film - we have allowed a country that bottles cheese in cans, of all things, to tell us what is ‘moral’!
It's not moral, it's demurely stupid.
Why are depictions of violence in mass media allowed to flow freely like American fracking oil, but natural, aesthetic, tasteful nudity - which has been part of European art and culture for centuries - is algorithmically filtered out, demonetised and labelled with warnings as if it were uranium?
No more prudish double standards!
We need a cultural return to what we have to offer:
- Enlightenment instead of transfiguration.
- Pleasure instead of violence.
- Nudity as an expression of naturalness - not as a moral offence.
I call on you:
Banish pixelated prudery!
Let's tear apart the corset of American moral dictatorship like a badly programmed DRM protection!
Save the freedom of the breast - for Europe!Stop aligning your films, games and series with a market that beeps ‘fuck’ five times but completely waves ‘shoot him in the face’ through.
We are not Hollywood's post office box.
We are Europe.
We are culture.
We are naked! - So, metaphorically. And sometimes literally. And that's okay.Thank you for your attention!
If you guys valued European culture that much you would’ve never allowed refugees to enforce sharia law in your country and persecuted the people born there who complain about it.
As an American I’m not blind to how bad we are but the only European ls I see who actually care about their culture enough to defend it Poland.
Wanna be fee? Wanna be nude without prudes? Wanna be enlightened? Defend it your culture from the ignorant zealots you let in and put your culture first.
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Violence often does serve a purpose. For example, in superhero movies it's often how the heroes stop the bad guys. That teaches us important lessons about life, like that we should shoot health insurance CEOs.
I agree. The only people that can claim the violence doesn't serve a purpose with any intellectual honesty are the tiny number of anarcho-pacifists.
However, a superhero punching out a bad guy, or even a realistic depiction of a recent-ish war like in the opening of Saving Private Ryan, is very different from the kind of gratuitous onscreen gore that's all over the place now.
They'll claim the woodchipper serial killer stuff establishes who the badguy is or whatever, of course, but I don't buy it, and I definitely don't believe the producer is paying out that much on special effects for the sake of artistic integrity.
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I took my clothes off I don't know what else is going on but I'm having a good time thanks for inviting me I really appreciate it
Username checks out?
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I think, there is a strong difference between pornography and artistic nudity and those should not be viewed as the same.
From Wikipedia on Nude (Art):
Kenneth Clark noted that sexuality was part of the attraction to the nude as a subject of art, stating "no nude, however abstract, should fail to arouse in the spectator some vestige of erotic feeling, even though it be only the faintest shadow—and if it does not do so it is bad art and false morals". According to Clark, the explicit temple sculptures of tenth-century India "are great works of art because their eroticism is part of their whole philosophy". Great art can contain significant sexual content without being obscene.
Ah, to be clear, gratuitous nudity/sex and gratuitous violence are both pornographic in their own way. Sorry, my bad.
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I'm surprised to see your little tricks got upvotes this time. Your pro-russia content is usually too obvious to stand a chance. This comment did not fool me however
Don't get fooled buddy we are clearly not all human beings living in the same planet...
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I agree. The only people that can claim the violence doesn't serve a purpose with any intellectual honesty are the tiny number of anarcho-pacifists.
However, a superhero punching out a bad guy, or even a realistic depiction of a recent-ish war like in the opening of Saving Private Ryan, is very different from the kind of gratuitous onscreen gore that's all over the place now.
They'll claim the woodchipper serial killer stuff establishes who the badguy is or whatever, of course, but I don't buy it, and I definitely don't believe the producer is paying out that much on special effects for the sake of artistic integrity.
The closest thing I can remember seeing in the last few years to that is in The Boys when A-Train liquefies Huey's girlfriend. But I think giving us a sense of Huey's shock and trauma is absolutely necessary in that scene, because it establishes why he doesn't just take the settlement money and move on with his life. We need to believe this event has profoundly affected him and made it impossible for him to ignore the problems with superheroes.
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Because there is nothing wrong with it.
fair enough i suppose.
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so... Why are we naked?
I don’t know, but there’s very chilly weather here and my pee pee is shrinking. Maybe we could try again in the summer?
