Microsoft's many Outlooks are confusing users and employees
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Why? Dumping that shitty code as fast as possible is a win for everyone. It’s been completely capable as a mail app for over a year. It’s barely-used functions that are missing.
Barely-used functions like PST files and clicking on something without waiting 3 seconds for an effect.
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I got a new job, fully remote, and we use Teams. Not gonna lie, I don’t get the hate. It seems as exactly adequate as WebEx or Zoom. None of them make me cum, none of them make me upset.
What is it about Teams that people hate so much? How does WebEx or Zoom do it any better?
Fully onboard with hating new Outlook though, fuck it sucks. Can’t even browse the global address list, it’s search only.
Teams is fine for video calling and screensharing. The mess begins when organisations, as MS encourages them to do, try to embed everything there is into teams. Then it can very fast become a black hole where no one finds anything anymore
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Yeah I feel this. Outlook pisses me off. So does Microsoft in general.
What pisses me off more is HP.
Yes but I don't use HP for email because it won't let me send one if my cyan ink is low.
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Microsoft is just awful at doing basic shit. Office or M365 or copilot or whatever it is called is a mess of new tabs, signing in and duplication of services.
Christ outlook sucks but it isnt even top five of how shit they are.
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Comparing the amount of noise my laptop's CPU fans make between the two of them when doing moderately intensive tasks like screen sharing a 4K display, Zoom is measurably worse.
Possibly the one time that Microsoft's inexplicable inability to make their own software run well on their own OS has somehow not manifested.
Don't get me wrong, it is still death-by-a-thousand-cuts terrible, but the most current iteration of Teams is not the worst in its field... at this one specific thing.
It has gotten so much better over the years. Which is more testament to how unutterably awful it was at release than how good it is now.
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Not gonna lie, I don’t get the hate.
TEAMs was terrible going into the pandemic but it's steadily gotten better, especially over the past 18 months. Reading down the comment chain though I'm in awe at the amount of problems that people are apparently still having with it!
TEAMs via app or browser on my Windows 10 box at work? Fine.
TEAMs via app or browser on my Windows 11 Surface? Fine.
TEAMs via app or browser on my wheezy HP laptop with Windows 11? Fine.
TEAMs via browser (Firefox even!) on all three of my Linux systems? Also completely fine!Hell I've got Creative T-60 USB-C speakers, a logi webcam, and Turtle Beach headphones hooked to a USB sharing KVM for two of those linux boxes and it still just works.
I must be the luckiest dumb-ass alive when it comes to MS TEAMs because at least for the last two years it just works.
My TEAMs laptop unfortunately only has an 11th gen i5 and 16 gigs of RAM so it runs like crap. And yes I only run TEAMs, a proprietary application with <50 MB RAM and <1% CPU usage, and occasionally Firefox.
Though TEAMs in Edge runs fine. It's only an issue with the app.
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All signs point to yes
Very doubtful
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I think every day about the productivity lost because people use Microsoft Word and Microsoft PowerPoint. Maybe even multiple times a day.
Most applications would be fine with plain text, some could use markdown, some would need org-mode, a bit further something like HTML or word-perfect format.
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It’s webmail with an offline mode, of course it’s collecting data.
This was already happening for most of their paying customers, and the data they connect is retained on a per-tenant basis.
yeah, but with this version now they collect all their emails from all non-microsoft accounts too. only reliable way to stop that is to change passwords
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Yes but I don't use HP for email because it won't let me send one if my cyan ink is low.
Sounds about right. They tried to get me sign up for a subscription for customer service. They told me they could solve my issue (I forgot my bitlocker encryption key and was giving my old HP laptop to a family member so I needed it to whip the device) but only if I sign up for the subscription. It wouldve cost me $54 to get customer service that day. I laughed at the guy over the phone and he tried to defend the company by saying its worth it pay since I did not know how to solve my issue and needed their help. I didn’t pay and found a work around on my own
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My dad is also a huge Outlook fan. I think you need to just have been using it for 20+ years
Yeah, maybe it's a case of software Stockholm syndrome or something.
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how shielded are enterprise accounts from the data harvest?
The data is still harvested but it stays within their own tenant.
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They have managed to fuck up something as simple as right clicking. There are no words.
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Settings is more accessible to casual users.
Except when the setting they need isn't in Settings. Then it's a wild goose chase.
In fact, it's often a wild goose chase even if it is in Settings, because the question then is where did Microsoft decide to hide it in this most recent update?
The thing everyone misses which was Control Panel's greatest strength, however, was that vendors could add their own .cpl extensions to it. So settings for your specific hardware could go there. (Yes, this was abused by-and-large by some vendors just like the system tray, but that's not the point.) Literally all of your settings and configuration stuff could go in one place. Even if a user did not know exactly where, at least they had a consistent place to start looking.
That all ended with Windows 2000/XP and got worse with 8/10/11.
Now we have this:
"I want to change the behavior of Windows feature X."
Spin the wheel and guess!
- Is it located in Settings?
- Is it located in Control Panel?
- Is there a category in Settings where it totally should be, and any reasonable person would expect it to be, but it's not there? Surprise! It's in Control Panel anyway because Microsoft was too lazy to migrate it to Settings.
- Is it in both Settings and Control panel?
- Is it lurking in the Notification Area?
- Or is it hidden in Group Policy Management instead? Oops, too bad you bought the home edition of Windows.
Etc.
Control panel may have been clunky, especially for frequently accessed settings, but at least it was unified.
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I work in government, and on mobile devices Outlook government accounts are restricted so that all other accounts have to be removed from the app.
It sounds like a great security feature, but since I need access to 3 accounts for reasons, I've got one version installed on my city phone, one on my tablet, and had to install another on my personal phone.
We're budgeting in a second city phone for me next year because Outlook sucks.
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Hah, I JUST had a conversation with my boss about whether or not I was using the "new" outlook or the "old" outlook.
He's apparently using the "old" outlook because there's a toggle switch in the upper right of his window that says "try the new outlook!" and I don't have that, meaning...I guess I'm using the "new" outlook?
Who knows at this point. It's all trash.
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I got a new job, fully remote, and we use Teams. Not gonna lie, I don’t get the hate. It seems as exactly adequate as WebEx or Zoom. None of them make me cum, none of them make me upset.
What is it about Teams that people hate so much? How does WebEx or Zoom do it any better?
Fully onboard with hating new Outlook though, fuck it sucks. Can’t even browse the global address list, it’s search only.
Well, are you using "new" Teams, or "classic" Teams, both of which can be installed and nag for updates that fail. My "new" Teams (just finally had to uninstall "classic" altogether) just randomly crashes/restarts throughout the day, and also randomly is "unable to authenticate", making me offline but unaware of it, so miss messages. My "old" Outlook also ~15-20% of the time, on a fresh PC start, just can't connect to server, and nothing will fix it except for rebooting PC. Yeah, so fucking done with MS shit, it's all hot garbage, from 11 on down through all their apps. They've fucked up EMAIL ffs.
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Windows having Settings and Control Panel. It is just an unmanageable bloat of legacy code.
I'd rather they remove all the new shit like "Settings" and just keep all the stuff they've had for god knows how many years. Control Panel ftw.
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Except when the setting they need isn't in Settings. Then it's a wild goose chase.
In fact, it's often a wild goose chase even if it is in Settings, because the question then is where did Microsoft decide to hide it in this most recent update?
The thing everyone misses which was Control Panel's greatest strength, however, was that vendors could add their own .cpl extensions to it. So settings for your specific hardware could go there. (Yes, this was abused by-and-large by some vendors just like the system tray, but that's not the point.) Literally all of your settings and configuration stuff could go in one place. Even if a user did not know exactly where, at least they had a consistent place to start looking.
That all ended with Windows 2000/XP and got worse with 8/10/11.
Now we have this:
"I want to change the behavior of Windows feature X."
Spin the wheel and guess!
- Is it located in Settings?
- Is it located in Control Panel?
- Is there a category in Settings where it totally should be, and any reasonable person would expect it to be, but it's not there? Surprise! It's in Control Panel anyway because Microsoft was too lazy to migrate it to Settings.
- Is it in both Settings and Control panel?
- Is it lurking in the Notification Area?
- Or is it hidden in Group Policy Management instead? Oops, too bad you bought the home edition of Windows.
Etc.
Control panel may have been clunky, especially for frequently accessed settings, but at least it was unified.
Also, when you use the built in windows search to search for an installed program, except it doesn't find it, but gives you web results instead. Microsoft needs to take a seriously massive step back and realise how much they've fucked up this basic stuff.
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"new" outlooks has less features than the old one. And its even harder to find things in settings (they removed a bunch of stuff). I dont look forward to this being on work devices...
Our work uses outlook for web and it's utter garbage. So much stuff you just can't do.
