Microsoft's many Outlooks are confusing users and employees
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Yes but I don't use HP for email because it won't let me send one if my cyan ink is low.
Sounds about right. They tried to get me sign up for a subscription for customer service. They told me they could solve my issue (I forgot my bitlocker encryption key and was giving my old HP laptop to a family member so I needed it to whip the device) but only if I sign up for the subscription. It wouldve cost me $54 to get customer service that day. I laughed at the guy over the phone and he tried to defend the company by saying its worth it pay since I did not know how to solve my issue and needed their help. I didn’t pay and found a work around on my own
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My dad is also a huge Outlook fan. I think you need to just have been using it for 20+ years
Yeah, maybe it's a case of software Stockholm syndrome or something.
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how shielded are enterprise accounts from the data harvest?
The data is still harvested but it stays within their own tenant.
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They have managed to fuck up something as simple as right clicking. There are no words.
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Settings is more accessible to casual users.
Except when the setting they need isn't in Settings. Then it's a wild goose chase.
In fact, it's often a wild goose chase even if it is in Settings, because the question then is where did Microsoft decide to hide it in this most recent update?
The thing everyone misses which was Control Panel's greatest strength, however, was that vendors could add their own .cpl extensions to it. So settings for your specific hardware could go there. (Yes, this was abused by-and-large by some vendors just like the system tray, but that's not the point.) Literally all of your settings and configuration stuff could go in one place. Even if a user did not know exactly where, at least they had a consistent place to start looking.
That all ended with Windows 2000/XP and got worse with 8/10/11.
Now we have this:
"I want to change the behavior of Windows feature X."
Spin the wheel and guess!
- Is it located in Settings?
- Is it located in Control Panel?
- Is there a category in Settings where it totally should be, and any reasonable person would expect it to be, but it's not there? Surprise! It's in Control Panel anyway because Microsoft was too lazy to migrate it to Settings.
- Is it in both Settings and Control panel?
- Is it lurking in the Notification Area?
- Or is it hidden in Group Policy Management instead? Oops, too bad you bought the home edition of Windows.
Etc.
Control panel may have been clunky, especially for frequently accessed settings, but at least it was unified.
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I work in government, and on mobile devices Outlook government accounts are restricted so that all other accounts have to be removed from the app.
It sounds like a great security feature, but since I need access to 3 accounts for reasons, I've got one version installed on my city phone, one on my tablet, and had to install another on my personal phone.
We're budgeting in a second city phone for me next year because Outlook sucks.
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Hah, I JUST had a conversation with my boss about whether or not I was using the "new" outlook or the "old" outlook.
He's apparently using the "old" outlook because there's a toggle switch in the upper right of his window that says "try the new outlook!" and I don't have that, meaning...I guess I'm using the "new" outlook?
Who knows at this point. It's all trash.
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I got a new job, fully remote, and we use Teams. Not gonna lie, I don’t get the hate. It seems as exactly adequate as WebEx or Zoom. None of them make me cum, none of them make me upset.
What is it about Teams that people hate so much? How does WebEx or Zoom do it any better?
Fully onboard with hating new Outlook though, fuck it sucks. Can’t even browse the global address list, it’s search only.
Well, are you using "new" Teams, or "classic" Teams, both of which can be installed and nag for updates that fail. My "new" Teams (just finally had to uninstall "classic" altogether) just randomly crashes/restarts throughout the day, and also randomly is "unable to authenticate", making me offline but unaware of it, so miss messages. My "old" Outlook also ~15-20% of the time, on a fresh PC start, just can't connect to server, and nothing will fix it except for rebooting PC. Yeah, so fucking done with MS shit, it's all hot garbage, from 11 on down through all their apps. They've fucked up EMAIL ffs.
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Windows having Settings and Control Panel. It is just an unmanageable bloat of legacy code.
I'd rather they remove all the new shit like "Settings" and just keep all the stuff they've had for god knows how many years. Control Panel ftw.
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Except when the setting they need isn't in Settings. Then it's a wild goose chase.
In fact, it's often a wild goose chase even if it is in Settings, because the question then is where did Microsoft decide to hide it in this most recent update?
The thing everyone misses which was Control Panel's greatest strength, however, was that vendors could add their own .cpl extensions to it. So settings for your specific hardware could go there. (Yes, this was abused by-and-large by some vendors just like the system tray, but that's not the point.) Literally all of your settings and configuration stuff could go in one place. Even if a user did not know exactly where, at least they had a consistent place to start looking.
That all ended with Windows 2000/XP and got worse with 8/10/11.
Now we have this:
"I want to change the behavior of Windows feature X."
Spin the wheel and guess!
- Is it located in Settings?
- Is it located in Control Panel?
- Is there a category in Settings where it totally should be, and any reasonable person would expect it to be, but it's not there? Surprise! It's in Control Panel anyway because Microsoft was too lazy to migrate it to Settings.
- Is it in both Settings and Control panel?
- Is it lurking in the Notification Area?
- Or is it hidden in Group Policy Management instead? Oops, too bad you bought the home edition of Windows.
Etc.
Control panel may have been clunky, especially for frequently accessed settings, but at least it was unified.
Also, when you use the built in windows search to search for an installed program, except it doesn't find it, but gives you web results instead. Microsoft needs to take a seriously massive step back and realise how much they've fucked up this basic stuff.
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"new" outlooks has less features than the old one. And its even harder to find things in settings (they removed a bunch of stuff). I dont look forward to this being on work devices...
Our work uses outlook for web and it's utter garbage. So much stuff you just can't do.
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The corp I'm working at moved to Outlook Web.
It's so hostile about downloading attachments through anything but OneDrive it's comical.
We have too. I absolutely hate it.
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I got a new job, fully remote, and we use Teams. Not gonna lie, I don’t get the hate. It seems as exactly adequate as WebEx or Zoom. None of them make me cum, none of them make me upset.
What is it about Teams that people hate so much? How does WebEx or Zoom do it any better?
Fully onboard with hating new Outlook though, fuck it sucks. Can’t even browse the global address list, it’s search only.
It closes and opens itself multiple times a day for whatever reason, updating ? Crashing ? I don’t know because it always just reappears in a completely other place than where I had it before.
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Microsoft anything = confuses people
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Microsoft sucks and so does Outlook. My dad uses Outlook personally and I just can't imagine that. It's like taking your torture rack home with you for personal usage.
Idk I like outlook. Its more feature rich and reliable than any other client Ive used. Especially since basically every company uses Echange for email.
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Also, when you use the built in windows search to search for an installed program, except it doesn't find it, but gives you web results instead. Microsoft needs to take a seriously massive step back and realise how much they've fucked up this basic stuff.
I'm positive that's deliberate, though, because they're desperate to drive traffic to Bing by any means necessary.
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I got a new job, fully remote, and we use Teams. Not gonna lie, I don’t get the hate. It seems as exactly adequate as WebEx or Zoom. None of them make me cum, none of them make me upset.
What is it about Teams that people hate so much? How does WebEx or Zoom do it any better?
Fully onboard with hating new Outlook though, fuck it sucks. Can’t even browse the global address list, it’s search only.
For the scope of WebEx and Zoom, it's.. fine... mostly. I mean I hate that I can't really full screen a remote screen share, so it could be better, but broadly speaking, video, audio, and screen sharing is fine. Not coincidentally, this is pretty much the only standalone stuff Teams bothered to uniquely implement, most everything else is built upon sharepoint...
It starts getting annoying for chat platform. You want to scroll back, it's going to be painfully slow. You participate in cross-company conversations, oh boy you get to deal with the worst implementation of instancing to keep your activity segregated I have seen. Broadly speaking it just scales poorly at managing the sorts of conversations you have at a larger company. If your conversations are largely "forget it after a few hours", you may be fine.
Then you get into what these platforms have been doing for ages, Lotus Notes and Sharepoint suggesting companies build workflows on top of their platform. Now the real pain and suffering begins.
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Teams is fine for video calling and screensharing. The mess begins when organisations, as MS encourages them to do, try to embed everything there is into teams. Then it can very fast become a black hole where no one finds anything anymore
Honestly thats just a user problem, not a Teams one.
Just limit it to files and forms and stuff like that, and explain to users that the teams folders, SharePoint, and the files on their computer are all the same.
Source: IT manager
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What pisses me off is when I create Teams for teams in Teams, and then want to google how to do something specific.
That's because they're called "teams groups" not "teams for teams"
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Whichever version it is, I hope that one day I can delete a mail, change my mind, press ctrl-z and it will actually undo the last delete and not some random one from earlier in the day.
