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  • richardisaguy@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

    Trump might be an idiot, but he is not so much of an idiot to take on the entirety of Europe, who, likely when this happens will have new allies besides the US

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    Trump will do anything in the safety of his home if he feels like it benefits him. If it has no negative impact for him, he doesn't care. That's why he could start a war with anyone, because he wouldn't go to the front.

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    • richardisaguy@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

      Trump might be an idiot, but he is not so much of an idiot to take on the entirety of Europe, who, likely when this happens will have new allies besides the US

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      I absolutely believe he's that much of an idiot.

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      • richardisaguy@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

        Trump might be an idiot, but he is not so much of an idiot to take on the entirety of Europe, who, likely when this happens will have new allies besides the US

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        Trump might be an idiot, but he is not so much of an idiot to take on the entirety of Europe

        I don't think he'll have to. With Europe busy infighting and a war on the eastern border, he can snack up Greenland just as he's planning to. Nobody will do anything about it at that point.

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          Are they bribed by Nobel like ursula?

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            Trump will do anything in the safety of his home if he feels like it benefits him. If it has no negative impact for him, he doesn't care. That's why he could start a war with anyone, because he wouldn't go to the front.

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            Then let's send the bitch

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            • gradually_adjusting@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

              If Russia gets ambiguously belligerent with a small NATO ally (someplace like Lithuania) and everyone's suddenly saying "we have to go to war over THAT?" and American corporate media starts framing the use of article 5 as escalatory, that's your cue that phase 1 is complete.

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              Which is ironic, because the only time article 5 was invited was by the Americans, after 9/11.

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                Which is ironic, because the only time article 5 was invited was by the Americans, after 9/11.

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                Which was so funny cuz they probably went "you... want us to join u in bombing those goat herders?? They don't even have an air force. Uhh okay..."

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                  Are they bribed by Nobel like ursula?

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                  Did von der genocide accept more bribes?

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                    Did von der genocide accept more bribes?

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                    Probably. Just ask at the commission's front desk. Rue de la Loi 200, B-1049 Brussels, Belgium.

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                      europe will not go to war over THAT.

                      Yep. Here's a fun possible timeline:

                      • US takes over greenland. Europe will cut off all ties to 'murika, and they'll be like "why would europe be so mean to us?!".

                      • Europe won't pivot too hard to China/India, but they'll become preferred trading-partners. EU will become the last bastion of actual Democracy.

                      • China will take that whole debacle as a green light to take Taiwan (and possibly re-taking manchuria, if not more of Russia).

                      • Russia will throw a hissyfit (threaten nukes, fail to deliver, and get fucked on the ground/air/sea) and the US will try to come to their aid under the guise of stopping the "yellow threat". But it'll fail cuz the US will devolve into a civil war.

                      • Russia will collapse and splinter, and the rest of the 21st century will be a mess off instability and the odd rogue van-borne nuke going off here and there, because mongol-brained swamp-troglodytes (muscovy) should never had nukes in the first place.

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                      What does China stand to gain by attacking Russia?

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                      • richardisaguy@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                        They barely could handle a war with small Ukraine, a full scale war with NATO is a no-go; and I'm quite certain Putin won't live that long

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                        Clearly, Putin underestimated Ukraine at the beginning of his invasion. But Russia can maintain the war against Ukraine for a long time to come.

                        Putin has no other choice: the entire Russian economy is dependent on war and armaments and would collapse if peace were concluded. Putin could no longer control his country without an external enemy.

                        Hence his narrative of the "Nazis" who must be fought in Ukraine (and soon on other borders (see Suwalki Gap)). This narrative of the Nazis ties in with the russian history of the Great Patriotic War, and this resonates with the Russian population. Putin is building a sequel to WWII, with renewed external threats, and the people are receptive to that.

                        Therefore, Putin is not at all interested in a peace treaty. And the conflict with NATO countries has already begun: the severed power cables and data cables in the Baltic Sea and the attacks on our information systems should have been regarded as acts of war from their beginning. The threat is there NOW. And Europe and NATO must build up strength.

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                          Not surprised. The level of European alarm about the Russian threat being real has been greater than what could be sustained without there being secret direct evidence.

                          Here's hoping when he does that and immediately starts to lose, he doesn't decide to end the world.

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                          • richardisaguy@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                            Trump might be an idiot, but he is not so much of an idiot to take on the entirety of Europe, who, likely when this happens will have new allies besides the US

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                            There's a chance Trump's successor as fuhrer will be more directly militaristic, but only a chance. Most likely, Putin is still expecting Europe to fold and submit this time he escalates. Probably because he's misread the complacency of the West over the past two decades as a weakness of personality.

                            likely when this happens will have new allies besides the US

                            Who are you thinking of? Canada's a "shoe in" if you'll take us, of course, but anyone else?

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                              Clearly, Putin underestimated Ukraine at the beginning of his invasion. But Russia can maintain the war against Ukraine for a long time to come.

                              Putin has no other choice: the entire Russian economy is dependent on war and armaments and would collapse if peace were concluded. Putin could no longer control his country without an external enemy.

                              Hence his narrative of the "Nazis" who must be fought in Ukraine (and soon on other borders (see Suwalki Gap)). This narrative of the Nazis ties in with the russian history of the Great Patriotic War, and this resonates with the Russian population. Putin is building a sequel to WWII, with renewed external threats, and the people are receptive to that.

                              Therefore, Putin is not at all interested in a peace treaty. And the conflict with NATO countries has already begun: the severed power cables and data cables in the Baltic Sea and the attacks on our information systems should have been regarded as acts of war from their beginning. The threat is there NOW. And Europe and NATO must build up strength.

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                              Clearly, Putin underestimated Ukraine at the beginning of his invasion. But Russia can maintain the war against Ukraine for a long time to come.

                              Barring help from the US, I would be shocked if they don't have hyperinflation within 15 months. Maybe they can keep going through that, or maybe not.

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                                There's a chance Trump's successor as fuhrer will be more directly militaristic, but only a chance. Most likely, Putin is still expecting Europe to fold and submit this time he escalates. Probably because he's misread the complacency of the West over the past two decades as a weakness of personality.

                                likely when this happens will have new allies besides the US

                                Who are you thinking of? Canada's a "shoe in" if you'll take us, of course, but anyone else?

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                                Isn't Europes combined military budget halfway to the moon at this point? Last I heard 180 billion and climbing not including induvidual countries efforts.

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                                  europe will not go to war over THAT.

                                  Yep. Here's a fun possible timeline:

                                  • US takes over greenland. Europe will cut off all ties to 'murika, and they'll be like "why would europe be so mean to us?!".

                                  • Europe won't pivot too hard to China/India, but they'll become preferred trading-partners. EU will become the last bastion of actual Democracy.

                                  • China will take that whole debacle as a green light to take Taiwan (and possibly re-taking manchuria, if not more of Russia).

                                  • Russia will throw a hissyfit (threaten nukes, fail to deliver, and get fucked on the ground/air/sea) and the US will try to come to their aid under the guise of stopping the "yellow threat". But it'll fail cuz the US will devolve into a civil war.

                                  • Russia will collapse and splinter, and the rest of the 21st century will be a mess off instability and the odd rogue van-borne nuke going off here and there, because mongol-brained swamp-troglodytes (muscovy) should never had nukes in the first place.

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                                  Doesn't this scenario essentially cut off the US from advanced chip manufacturing? The chips are made in taiwan and the machines for making the chips are made in europe.

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                                    Isn't Europes combined military budget halfway to the moon at this point? Last I heard 180 billion and climbing not including induvidual countries efforts.

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                                    Yeah, even he has to know that if Europe does fight back (as you and me know it would) it will go poorly for him.

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                                      Well sure, but it's a good start for a comparison. Best would be to add in the existing capability, the level of threat, size of the country, that sort of stuff.

                                      It's just that even Germans have now realized that their chronic underspending has really hurt them and now to have any sort of respectable defence they'll need to spend more. A more moderate amount for a longer time would've been better but it is what it is.

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                                      their chronic underspending

                                      If you haven't noticed yet germany already spend billions in war, they are one of the biggest spender in the world

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                                        their chronic underspending

                                        If you haven't noticed yet germany already spend billions in war, they are one of the biggest spender in the world

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                                        Do you know in what shape their military it is?

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                                          Do you know in what shape their military it is?

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                                          With billions spend on it yearly sound like it's on pair with most countries around the world

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