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G7 leaders: ‘Iran can never have a nuclear weapon’

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  • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

    Tehran “is the principal source of regional instability and terror,” declare G7 leaders in a joint statement.

    The leaders of the G7 countries on Monday issued a joint statement saying Iran should not have nuclear weapons and affirming Israel's right to defend itself.

    "Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror. We have been consistently clear that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon," declared the statement, issued by the leaders of the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan, along with the EU.

    They pledged to "remain vigilant to the implications for international energy markets and stand ready to coordinate, including with like-minded partners, to safeguard market stability."

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    #56

    But genocide against Palestinians is a-OK.

    What does the "G" in G7 stand for? Gaslighting? Genocide? Grift? Maybe there are 7 Gs.

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      https://www.nytimes.com/1976/10/09/archives/student-designs-2000-atom-bomb.html

      University physics student designed an atomic bomb to prove that nearly anyone with information now publicly available could do the same thing.

      The student, John A. Phillips, a 21‐year‐old senior, using information obtained from unclassified sources, has prepared a 34‐page report said to contain plans for a crude plutonium device weighing 125 pounds and allegedly carrying a charge one‐third as powerful as the one detonated over Hiroshima in World War II.

      “The point was to show,” he said, “that any undergraduate with a physics background can do it, and therefore that it is reasonable to assume that terrorists could do it, too.”

      Mr. Phillips, who took four months for research and to complete his plans, did not build his bomb, and scientists familiar with his work have refused to evaluate the plans.

      But the New Haven student, whose father is a professor of mechanical engineering at Yale, contends that his academic advisers have assured him that the device is “workable.”

      By the time Mr. Phillips completed his plans, he had concluded that “billions of dollars and years of research are no longer required for the design and construction of a fission bomb,” but that “fanatical dedication to the goal and scientific know‐how are.”

      Mr. Phillips said yesterday while outlining his plans for the bomb, which he contends could be built for $2,000, that he could have designed a more extensive one but that he had limited himself “to the crudest, cheapest and simplest device.”

      “Any other physics major could do this better,” Mr. Phillips asserted. “It was just luck that I got on the right track. I'm really one of the poorest students in the physics department.”

      While i am sure his comments on it costing $2,000 ($11,300 today) are broadly exaggerating, the key point remains. The information needed is really not the obstacle in the process of acquiring a nuclear bomb.

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      #57

      that was known almost decade before that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nth_Country_Experiment

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      • P [email protected]

        Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror.

        Ok does someone want to catch me up on this opinion shared by world leaders but quite literally no one else?

        Like yes, Iran is a terrible authoritarian state that is very dangerous. But so is Saudi Arabia?!

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        #58

        Well you see the existence of Iran forces Israel to bomb them, thus destabilizing the region. If Iran would simply stop existing, Israel wouldn't have to bomb them, and the region would be stable

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        • sarge@startrek.websiteS [email protected]

          nobody should have nuclear weapons.

          Sometimes I wonder what the world would be like if the scientists working on the Manhattan project had all agreed it's too much and intentionally sabotage every test.

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          Well then we wouldn’t have nuclear power either

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            Just asking. The Nazis we’re pretty cartoonish.

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            The Japanese at the time were, at the least, very close in terms of evilness. What with the crazy human experiments, execution of prisoners, and everything they did to the Chinese.

            This obviously does not reflect on modern day Japan.

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            • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

              Tehran “is the principal source of regional instability and terror,” declare G7 leaders in a joint statement.

              The leaders of the G7 countries on Monday issued a joint statement saying Iran should not have nuclear weapons and affirming Israel's right to defend itself.

              "Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror. We have been consistently clear that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon," declared the statement, issued by the leaders of the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan, along with the EU.

              They pledged to "remain vigilant to the implications for international energy markets and stand ready to coordinate, including with like-minded partners, to safeguard market stability."

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              Ukraine had nukes and gave them up. They were invaded.

              Iraq gave up their WMD program after the first Gulf War. They were invaded again.

              Iran definitely had a nuclear program, but doesn't appear to be pursuing it anymore. They're getting attacked and quite possibly will get invaded.

              South Africa had a nuclear program and gave it up. Left alone.

              The Great Powers, particularly the United States but also Russia, have shown that your country should just keep going once you start. Chances are, you'll get invaded, anyway.

              This is not the way towards anti-proliferation.

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              • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                Tehran “is the principal source of regional instability and terror,” declare G7 leaders in a joint statement.

                The leaders of the G7 countries on Monday issued a joint statement saying Iran should not have nuclear weapons and affirming Israel's right to defend itself.

                "Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror. We have been consistently clear that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon," declared the statement, issued by the leaders of the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan, along with the EU.

                They pledged to "remain vigilant to the implications for international energy markets and stand ready to coordinate, including with like-minded partners, to safeguard market stability."

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                “We will do anything to maintain the status quo, up to and including genocidal ethnosupremacy”!

                I am honestly so revolted.

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                  Well then we wouldn’t have nuclear power either

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                  The first nuclear reactor was in 1942.

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                    “We will do anything to maintain the status quo, up to and including genocidal ethnosupremacy”!

                    I am honestly so revolted.

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                    What status quo? They are complicit

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                      What status quo? They are complicit

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                      The status quo is Western dominance and power projection.

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                        Please don't make Iran out to be some sort of victim in all this. What Israel is doing is wrong, but Iran has funded a lot of terrorists throughout the years, and execute people in medival ways for holding hands with the "wrong" person.

                        The iranian government is pure fucking evil and deserves to die horrible deaths for what they instigate and fund around the world and in their local area.

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                        Resistance groups that commit some terrorism and no terrorist groups

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                        • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksE [email protected]

                          The first nuclear reactor was in 1942.

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                          Well sure but if you can make a nuclear reactor you can make a nuclear bomb

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                          • jomiran@lemmy.mlJ [email protected]

                            I believe ALL of the following;

                            • Iran should not have nuclear weapons
                            • Israel should not have nuclear weapons
                            • Iran should not weaponize Palestinian suffering or coax them into attacking Israel while Iran itself sees little repercussions
                            • Israel should not genocide
                            • Israel has committed genocide and should pay a hefty price
                            • Neither Iran nor Israel will really answer for their fuckery
                            • Palestinians will remain fucked...if they survive.

                            My heart breaks for the Palestinian people who suffer and die for others' greed, ambition, and political squabbles.

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                            I agree with all of your past tense takes. The future remains to be determined. We might all be flattened at this rate.

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                              “We will do anything to maintain the status quo, up to and including genocidal ethnosupremacy”!

                              I am honestly so revolted.

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                              Well, that's been the litemotiv of the last century on the area, support a slightly less evil genocidal asshole against another genocidal asshole.

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                              • M [email protected]

                                This is Western imperial propaganda to obfuscate the fundamentally anti colonial nature of Hamas and Hezbollah by labelling them as Islamic terrorists.

                                The real islamic extremists like Al Qaeda and ISIS were in fact sponsored by the CIA.

                                I'm so sick of Americans with no clue about the region coming up with Hasbara inserted talking points about Iran. As someone who.lived through the lies on Iraq's WMDs , which was also cheered by Netanyahu, it is depressing deja vu.

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                                What evidence do you have that presents hezbollah and hamas as being anti-imperialist?

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                                  “We will do anything to maintain the status quo, up to and including genocidal ethnosupremacy”!

                                  I am honestly so revolted.

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                                  I'm curious to see what Iran would have become in the next 5 years had this shit not occurred. It had the potential of becoming another regime or possibly a democracy again. Hard to say where it was going.

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                                  • jomiran@lemmy.mlJ [email protected]

                                    I believe ALL of the following;

                                    • Iran should not have nuclear weapons
                                    • Israel should not have nuclear weapons
                                    • Iran should not weaponize Palestinian suffering or coax them into attacking Israel while Iran itself sees little repercussions
                                    • Israel should not genocide
                                    • Israel has committed genocide and should pay a hefty price
                                    • Neither Iran nor Israel will really answer for their fuckery
                                    • Palestinians will remain fucked...if they survive.

                                    My heart breaks for the Palestinian people who suffer and die for others' greed, ambition, and political squabbles.

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                                    I'd add:

                                    • Hamas needs to deleted from the face of earth

                                    And all that basically describes the opinion of 90% of the population just that vocal minorities are very vocal.

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                                    • F [email protected]

                                      Ukraine had nukes and gave them up. They were invaded.

                                      Iraq gave up their WMD program after the first Gulf War. They were invaded again.

                                      Iran definitely had a nuclear program, but doesn't appear to be pursuing it anymore. They're getting attacked and quite possibly will get invaded.

                                      South Africa had a nuclear program and gave it up. Left alone.

                                      The Great Powers, particularly the United States but also Russia, have shown that your country should just keep going once you start. Chances are, you'll get invaded, anyway.

                                      This is not the way towards anti-proliferation.

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                                      South Africa had a nuclear program and gave it up. Left alone.

                                      How do nukes help South Africa? They don't have rockets. What do they threaten to bomb that is a deterrent?

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                                      • P [email protected]

                                        Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror.

                                        Ok does someone want to catch me up on this opinion shared by world leaders but quite literally no one else?

                                        Like yes, Iran is a terrible authoritarian state that is very dangerous. But so is Saudi Arabia?!

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                                        Iran is literally funding all terrorist organizations in the region and even beyond that directly support Ruzies 🙄

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                                        • ikidd@lemmy.worldI [email protected]

                                          "Iran is two weeks away from nuclear capability" - Netanyahu: 2012, 2015, 2018, 2023, 2025

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                                          He started a lot earlier than 2012

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