Microsoft's many Outlooks are confusing users and employees
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I cant stand anything microsoft anymore. Teams, outlook, word, every iteration just makes me more angry.
Popup #10000: Have you tried feature X that nobody asked for yet?
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My work and my former university uses outlook and Ms apps as their primary line of communication
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Popup #10000: Have you tried feature X that nobody asked for yet?
RIP Clippy
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Sometimes I think about the billions of dollars of wasted productivity caused by Outlook being so bad at rendering email.
I think every day about the productivity lost because people use Microsoft Word and Microsoft PowerPoint. Maybe even multiple times a day.
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how shielded are enterprise accounts from the data harvest?
Very much so.
They are paying for the service and expect appropriate treatment.
Companies generally frown upon their data being taken. It’s only consumers who use “free” services that really suffer from this. After all, if you’re not paying you are the product.
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Microsoft sucks and so does Outlook. My dad uses Outlook personally and I just can't imagine that. It's like taking your torture rack home with you for personal usage.
My dad is also a huge Outlook fan. I think you need to just have been using it for 20+ years
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Welcome to journalism in 202x
It's exactly the quality of journalism you get for free.
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Why? Dumping that shitty code as fast as possible is a win for everyone. It’s been completely capable as a mail app for over a year. It’s barely-used functions that are missing.
Barely-used functions like PST files and clicking on something without waiting 3 seconds for an effect.
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I got a new job, fully remote, and we use Teams. Not gonna lie, I don’t get the hate. It seems as exactly adequate as WebEx or Zoom. None of them make me cum, none of them make me upset.
What is it about Teams that people hate so much? How does WebEx or Zoom do it any better?
Fully onboard with hating new Outlook though, fuck it sucks. Can’t even browse the global address list, it’s search only.
Teams is fine for video calling and screensharing. The mess begins when organisations, as MS encourages them to do, try to embed everything there is into teams. Then it can very fast become a black hole where no one finds anything anymore
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Yeah I feel this. Outlook pisses me off. So does Microsoft in general.
What pisses me off more is HP.
Yes but I don't use HP for email because it won't let me send one if my cyan ink is low.
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Microsoft is just awful at doing basic shit. Office or M365 or copilot or whatever it is called is a mess of new tabs, signing in and duplication of services.
Christ outlook sucks but it isnt even top five of how shit they are.
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Comparing the amount of noise my laptop's CPU fans make between the two of them when doing moderately intensive tasks like screen sharing a 4K display, Zoom is measurably worse.
Possibly the one time that Microsoft's inexplicable inability to make their own software run well on their own OS has somehow not manifested.
Don't get me wrong, it is still death-by-a-thousand-cuts terrible, but the most current iteration of Teams is not the worst in its field... at this one specific thing.
It has gotten so much better over the years. Which is more testament to how unutterably awful it was at release than how good it is now.
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Not gonna lie, I don’t get the hate.
TEAMs was terrible going into the pandemic but it's steadily gotten better, especially over the past 18 months. Reading down the comment chain though I'm in awe at the amount of problems that people are apparently still having with it!
TEAMs via app or browser on my Windows 10 box at work? Fine.
TEAMs via app or browser on my Windows 11 Surface? Fine.
TEAMs via app or browser on my wheezy HP laptop with Windows 11? Fine.
TEAMs via browser (Firefox even!) on all three of my Linux systems? Also completely fine!Hell I've got Creative T-60 USB-C speakers, a logi webcam, and Turtle Beach headphones hooked to a USB sharing KVM for two of those linux boxes and it still just works.
I must be the luckiest dumb-ass alive when it comes to MS TEAMs because at least for the last two years it just works.
My TEAMs laptop unfortunately only has an 11th gen i5 and 16 gigs of RAM so it runs like crap. And yes I only run TEAMs, a proprietary application with <50 MB RAM and <1% CPU usage, and occasionally Firefox.
Though TEAMs in Edge runs fine. It's only an issue with the app.
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All signs point to yes
Very doubtful
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I think every day about the productivity lost because people use Microsoft Word and Microsoft PowerPoint. Maybe even multiple times a day.
Most applications would be fine with plain text, some could use markdown, some would need org-mode, a bit further something like HTML or word-perfect format.
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It’s webmail with an offline mode, of course it’s collecting data.
This was already happening for most of their paying customers, and the data they connect is retained on a per-tenant basis.
yeah, but with this version now they collect all their emails from all non-microsoft accounts too. only reliable way to stop that is to change passwords
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Yes but I don't use HP for email because it won't let me send one if my cyan ink is low.
Sounds about right. They tried to get me sign up for a subscription for customer service. They told me they could solve my issue (I forgot my bitlocker encryption key and was giving my old HP laptop to a family member so I needed it to whip the device) but only if I sign up for the subscription. It wouldve cost me $54 to get customer service that day. I laughed at the guy over the phone and he tried to defend the company by saying its worth it pay since I did not know how to solve my issue and needed their help. I didn’t pay and found a work around on my own
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My dad is also a huge Outlook fan. I think you need to just have been using it for 20+ years
Yeah, maybe it's a case of software Stockholm syndrome or something.
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how shielded are enterprise accounts from the data harvest?
The data is still harvested but it stays within their own tenant.
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They have managed to fuck up something as simple as right clicking. There are no words.
