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Temperatures reach 46C in Spain as Europe heatwave continues

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  • D [email protected]

    Focus on being part of the solution: Go vegan. Then tell your friends and family to go vegan. Tell them to do the same to their friends and family members.

    Once we've gotten rid of dairy and meat production, we can toy with the CEO's and prisons.

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    Vegetarian is enough to get most of the benefits for environmental reasons. But it's foolish to wait until that happens, it can't wait.

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      Well, that depends on whether the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation stops working or not as that's what, for example, means that Lisbon which is roughly at the same latitude as New York has a temperature which is about 5 - 10C higher.

      One of the weirdest effect of Global Warming might very well be that the westernmost parts of Europe get colder (though who knows what other side effects the stopping of the AMOC will bring beyond reducing the temperature moderating effects of the Atlantic along the Westernmost coasts of Europe).

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      Famine for ocean animals and more hurricanes in the even hotter tropics for starters.

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      • I [email protected]

        Have they considered spending 5% of their GDP on weapons? That will surely save humanity.

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        Honestly if they spend that on weapons and then use it lower the population it could help.

        Shoot maybe Thanos was right...

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          How badly we need AC?

          How about “how badly we need to get our shit together to stop human caused climate change”?

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          It'll be both, even a very aggressive response will take decades for it to Stop getting hotter then at best it will not get hotter. It will be 4-5 decades at best before it gets cooler.

          Methane adds some uncertainty to that though. If you were to stop using gas it might cool off after it disappears in a decade in the atmosphere.

          But it will keep getting hotter in every circumstance even if we act aggressively on climate change.

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            Vegetarian is enough to get most of the benefits for environmental reasons. But it's foolish to wait until that happens, it can't wait.

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            Source on that? I'd reckon dairy and egg industry equally bad as meat industry. Here in northern Europe dairy and meat industry go hand in hand, that is, when a dairy cow stops being productive it gets ground to beef.

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              Source on that? I'd reckon dairy and egg industry equally bad as meat industry. Here in northern Europe dairy and meat industry go hand in hand, that is, when a dairy cow stops being productive it gets ground to beef.

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              I don't think this is true for eggs. I've read that the egg-laying chickens are completely detached from those raised for their meat. Perhaps best demonstrated with the recent egg shortages having no impact to poultry prices.

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                A heatwave continues to grip large parts of Europe, with authorities in many countries issuing health warnings amid searing temperatures.

                Southern Spain is the worst-affected region, with temperatures in the mid-40s Celsius recorded in Seville and neighbouring areas.

                A new heat record for June of 46C was set on Saturday in the town of El Granado, according to Spain's national weather service, which also said this month is on track to be the hottest June on record.

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                46 degrees is just a fine chilly day!

                ::laughs in Fahrenheit::

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                  A heatwave continues to grip large parts of Europe, with authorities in many countries issuing health warnings amid searing temperatures.

                  Southern Spain is the worst-affected region, with temperatures in the mid-40s Celsius recorded in Seville and neighbouring areas.

                  A new heat record for June of 46C was set on Saturday in the town of El Granado, according to Spain's national weather service, which also said this month is on track to be the hottest June on record.

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                  That's 115° in human units. Absolutely bonkers.

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                    Aren't airplane flights and cars and just waste in general bigger contributors? I'm all for more people going vegan but I remember a carbon footprint analysis saying some of the worst contributors were planes cars waste and then food. Having a kid was the biggest contributor but that's a bit obvious.

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                    Yes, but from a societal perspective, theres value in making cuts in a lot of different places.

                    Maybe you can do a meatless Monday, and somebody else will go vegan. Tell the people in private jets to stop flying private, but the family that's going to another culture and learning and maybe becoming better has benefits.

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                      That's 115° in human units. Absolutely bonkers.

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                      Would it kill you to not jokingly deny the humanity of every person outside the United States, Liberia, and the Cayman Islands? Just say Fahrenheit. Jeez, yank.

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                        Why would they need more airco when many houses and apartments still don’t even have proper shutters for windows and many people still don’t know you should keep your windows closed during peak heat hours

                        I'm doing all of that have have good insulation, ground floor. Doesn't help when the temperature never drops below 20°C for a week (and I literally got up at 5:00 when it was coldest to air out my flat).

                        So yeah, I'm getting an AC this summer.

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                        Exactly this, it's a last resort measure. More important is that every passive cooling option needs to be tried: outside shutters, more big green around the buildins, minimize concrete and asphalt around buildings, closing and airing at best times, etc. Some people just skip all that and go airco, especially in the USA. They are actively adding more BS to the shitstorm that is climate change.

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                          There's a huge difference in that between the UK and countries further to the south: for example, pretty much all dwellings in Portugal have outside window shutters whilst in the UK it's incredibly rare (instead they have inside heavy courtains, so the light goes into the house and the INSIDE gets absorbed by transformed into heat by the courtains) but on the other hand housing insulation is generaly complete total crap in Portugal, but less so in the UK (still not at Scandinavia or Russian levels of efficiency, but way better than Portugal) so in Winter unless one uses massive amounts of electricity/gas for heating, it's literally colder indoors in Portugal than in Britain.

                          At the very least both Portugal and Spain are much better adapted to higher temperatures than elsewhere in Europe, and that's anchored on traditional techniques (such as outside window shutters, houses painted in light colors and the type of roofing used) rather than the brute-force energy-heavy techniques (such as heavy use of Aircon) so common in places like the US.

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                          Well in places like UK, people are installing AC instead of trying many other, passive cooling options first. They don't plant a single shrub next to their building but do put in highly inefficient portable AC units meanwhile asphalting/concreting there driveways... That's exactly what got me on my high horse. AC can be needed, but it's definitely not the first way to go in a northern-ish European place if the building doesn't have outside shutters, very non green streets around etc. It's not the miracle solution, AC adds to climate change, other ways of dealing with heat do not.

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                            That's 115° in human units. Absolutely bonkers.

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                            We have to put up with US-defaultism even in [email protected]

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                            • S [email protected]

                              A Bedouin outfit might not fit socially, but a loose summer dress might work just as well.

                              So as a counter to the "pants for women" movement, let's start a "summer dresses for everyone" movement.

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                              Just sell it as a modern take on (manliest of manly) Roman and Greek tunics. Alpha bros will be drooling for it in no time. That, however, will ruin the purpose by making the dress unwearable again so nah.

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                                A heatwave continues to grip large parts of Europe, with authorities in many countries issuing health warnings amid searing temperatures.

                                Southern Spain is the worst-affected region, with temperatures in the mid-40s Celsius recorded in Seville and neighbouring areas.

                                A new heat record for June of 46C was set on Saturday in the town of El Granado, according to Spain's national weather service, which also said this month is on track to be the hottest June on record.

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                                El Granado, Spain humidity is at 34% at this temp, so it could be much worse.

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                                • D [email protected]

                                  Source on that? I'd reckon dairy and egg industry equally bad as meat industry. Here in northern Europe dairy and meat industry go hand in hand, that is, when a dairy cow stops being productive it gets ground to beef.

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                                  Here in northern Europe dairy and meat industry go hand in hand, that is, when a dairy cow stops being productive it gets ground to beef.

                                  For regions where beef as food is more valued than here (beef's so expensive, few people buy it in Estonia), meat moos are entirely different breeds and fed differently. Milk moos might end up as mince, but probably not a quality steak. You don't need nearly as many moos if you're only producing milk, and then maybe some meat products from cows, compared to when you're raising a bunch specifically to be eaten.

                                  Chickens raised for meat also don't lay eggs. So if you only eat eggs and not chicken, way fewer chickens are needed. Also, if you're not even willing to go vegetarian, switch out beef and pork for chicken. Per kilogram of meat, chicken is way less carbon intensive (pork is also less intensive than beef). It's still a lot compared to eating potatoes from your own garden of course.

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                                    That's 115° in human units. Absolutely bonkers.

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                                    Damn this got more downvotes than supporting Israel

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                                    • B [email protected]

                                      I don't think this is true for eggs. I've read that the egg-laying chickens are completely detached from those raised for their meat. Perhaps best demonstrated with the recent egg shortages having no impact to poultry prices.

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                                      With dairy and egg industry I was referring to a lacto-ovo vegetarian diet. Egg laying breed is totally different compared to broilers that are bred specifically to be edible.

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                                        Here in northern Europe dairy and meat industry go hand in hand, that is, when a dairy cow stops being productive it gets ground to beef.

                                        For regions where beef as food is more valued than here (beef's so expensive, few people buy it in Estonia), meat moos are entirely different breeds and fed differently. Milk moos might end up as mince, but probably not a quality steak. You don't need nearly as many moos if you're only producing milk, and then maybe some meat products from cows, compared to when you're raising a bunch specifically to be eaten.

                                        Chickens raised for meat also don't lay eggs. So if you only eat eggs and not chicken, way fewer chickens are needed. Also, if you're not even willing to go vegetarian, switch out beef and pork for chicken. Per kilogram of meat, chicken is way less carbon intensive (pork is also less intensive than beef). It's still a lot compared to eating potatoes from your own garden of course.

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                                        And this is why the best reason to go vegan is for the animals.

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                                          It'll be both, even a very aggressive response will take decades for it to Stop getting hotter then at best it will not get hotter. It will be 4-5 decades at best before it gets cooler.

                                          Methane adds some uncertainty to that though. If you were to stop using gas it might cool off after it disappears in a decade in the atmosphere.

                                          But it will keep getting hotter in every circumstance even if we act aggressively on climate change.

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                                          I’m just so tired of people dealing with the climate change as if it was inevitable, like some karma shit. A lot of people just don’t want to change. They want to keep going like they used to and that’s driving me insane.

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