Take your clothes off, we need to talk
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Comrades of the European Internet Forum,
enough is enough!
For decades, we have placed ourselves in the cultural shadows - well-behaved, conformist, as if we were the ill-educated child of the great American moral uncle, who must not be too loud, not too naked and certainly not too independent. While half-naked shoulders are censored at high school graduation ceremonies in the USA, heads are thrown around like bowling balls in TV series. All normal, all ‘entertainment’. But woe betide you if you see a nipple - then the censorship hammer screeches louder than a Trump on Truth Social.
I ask you: What has become of Europe?
We, the continent-born of the Enlightenment, the revolutions, the renaissance of nudity on canvas, in stone and on film - we have allowed a country that bottles cheese in cans, of all things, to tell us what is ‘moral’!
It's not moral, it's demurely stupid.
Why are depictions of violence in mass media allowed to flow freely like American fracking oil, but natural, aesthetic, tasteful nudity - which has been part of European art and culture for centuries - is algorithmically filtered out, demonetised and labelled with warnings as if it were uranium?
No more prudish double standards!
We need a cultural return to what we have to offer:
- Enlightenment instead of transfiguration.
- Pleasure instead of violence.
- Nudity as an expression of naturalness - not as a moral offence.
I call on you:
Banish pixelated prudery!
Let's tear apart the corset of American moral dictatorship like a badly programmed DRM protection!
Save the freedom of the breast - for Europe!Stop aligning your films, games and series with a market that beeps ‘fuck’ five times but completely waves ‘shoot him in the face’ through.
We are not Hollywood's post office box.
We are Europe.
We are culture.
We are naked! - So, metaphorically. And sometimes literally. And that's okay.Thank you for your attention!
“A reliable way to incapacitate Americans” @GenosseFlosse
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Comrades of the European Internet Forum,
enough is enough!
For decades, we have placed ourselves in the cultural shadows - well-behaved, conformist, as if we were the ill-educated child of the great American moral uncle, who must not be too loud, not too naked and certainly not too independent. While half-naked shoulders are censored at high school graduation ceremonies in the USA, heads are thrown around like bowling balls in TV series. All normal, all ‘entertainment’. But woe betide you if you see a nipple - then the censorship hammer screeches louder than a Trump on Truth Social.
I ask you: What has become of Europe?
We, the continent-born of the Enlightenment, the revolutions, the renaissance of nudity on canvas, in stone and on film - we have allowed a country that bottles cheese in cans, of all things, to tell us what is ‘moral’!
It's not moral, it's demurely stupid.
Why are depictions of violence in mass media allowed to flow freely like American fracking oil, but natural, aesthetic, tasteful nudity - which has been part of European art and culture for centuries - is algorithmically filtered out, demonetised and labelled with warnings as if it were uranium?
No more prudish double standards!
We need a cultural return to what we have to offer:
- Enlightenment instead of transfiguration.
- Pleasure instead of violence.
- Nudity as an expression of naturalness - not as a moral offence.
I call on you:
Banish pixelated prudery!
Let's tear apart the corset of American moral dictatorship like a badly programmed DRM protection!
Save the freedom of the breast - for Europe!Stop aligning your films, games and series with a market that beeps ‘fuck’ five times but completely waves ‘shoot him in the face’ through.
We are not Hollywood's post office box.
We are Europe.
We are culture.
We are naked! - So, metaphorically. And sometimes literally. And that's okay.Thank you for your attention!
Trust me, no one wants to see me take my clothes off.
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Oh how shameful of me to question a European. You are Europe. You are culture.
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Let's just let people groom themselves however they prefer. We need to normalise accepting bodies of all kinds instead of pushing people to some particular ideal.
I don't think you're wrong that we should let people do what they want but it's definitely troubling that so many people want pre pubescent hairlessness in their partner. Maybe we should do away with whatever is causing that
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I’m not your dude, bro!
I'm not your brother, daddy!
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Germans still believe they’re morally superior by insisting that someone swinging their junk 30cm away from your face is somehow cultural heritage.
I’ve been to a German sauna once, never again. It was full of groaning fat dudes rubbing their sweat all over their body and some fit dudes doing stretching exercises in the sauna, all naked. I didn’t come there to be a creep, but it should be noted that even though it was a mixed gender sauna it was like 80-90% dudes because most of the women went to the female sauna instead apparently.
You can tell me all about nudity and sex not being the same, but if there’s some smoking hot woman next to me in the sauna completely naked I will think about sex. Hell, I will probably think about sex if she wears a bikini. To me this is actually natural, not forcing people to strip naked and then also stripping them of their instincts.
In that sense, I prefer my country’s sauna rules with towels and gender separation and I can actually just focus on sweating instead of pretending that I’m not a sexual being.
I might be able to get used to being around nude sauna users. But I wouldn't want to be nude myself when using a sauna. Unortunately, I live in an area that doesn't have any single Texitilsauna within range. Looks like the only way how I can ever sauna in my neighborhood will be by suing the owner of a sauna.
@shaserlark @Kornblumenratte -
Comrades of the European Internet Forum,
enough is enough!
For decades, we have placed ourselves in the cultural shadows - well-behaved, conformist, as if we were the ill-educated child of the great American moral uncle, who must not be too loud, not too naked and certainly not too independent. While half-naked shoulders are censored at high school graduation ceremonies in the USA, heads are thrown around like bowling balls in TV series. All normal, all ‘entertainment’. But woe betide you if you see a nipple - then the censorship hammer screeches louder than a Trump on Truth Social.
I ask you: What has become of Europe?
We, the continent-born of the Enlightenment, the revolutions, the renaissance of nudity on canvas, in stone and on film - we have allowed a country that bottles cheese in cans, of all things, to tell us what is ‘moral’!
It's not moral, it's demurely stupid.
Why are depictions of violence in mass media allowed to flow freely like American fracking oil, but natural, aesthetic, tasteful nudity - which has been part of European art and culture for centuries - is algorithmically filtered out, demonetised and labelled with warnings as if it were uranium?
No more prudish double standards!
We need a cultural return to what we have to offer:
- Enlightenment instead of transfiguration.
- Pleasure instead of violence.
- Nudity as an expression of naturalness - not as a moral offence.
I call on you:
Banish pixelated prudery!
Let's tear apart the corset of American moral dictatorship like a badly programmed DRM protection!
Save the freedom of the breast - for Europe!Stop aligning your films, games and series with a market that beeps ‘fuck’ five times but completely waves ‘shoot him in the face’ through.
We are not Hollywood's post office box.
We are Europe.
We are culture.
We are naked! - So, metaphorically. And sometimes literally. And that's okay.Thank you for your attention!
I assume that you haven’t watched any American TV shows for the past couple of decades. Nudity and gratuitous sex scenes are a staple of the American entertainment industry.
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I assume that you haven’t watched any American TV shows for the past couple of decades. Nudity and gratuitous sex scenes are a staple of the American entertainment industry.
But note that that's about nudity and sex being the same, and the sex is pornographic (that is, the intent in showing it is to arouse the viewer). The OP is about non-sexual nudity. In fact, OP doesn't mention sex at all, but I feel like it's reasonable to extend the argument to non-pornographic depictions of sex.
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Trust me, no one wants to see me take my clothes off.
I disagree, you were just taught to be ashamed of your body. Just as you shouldn't be ashamed of your face or hair or height, you shouldn't be ashamed of your nipples or butt or genitals.
Nudity is okay, your body is yours, and your nudity is not for others pleasure if you don't want it to be. Just as I wouldn't look at your face and be disgusted that you have a nose, i wouldn't be disgusted that you have other body parts.
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Comrades of the European Internet Forum,
enough is enough!
For decades, we have placed ourselves in the cultural shadows - well-behaved, conformist, as if we were the ill-educated child of the great American moral uncle, who must not be too loud, not too naked and certainly not too independent. While half-naked shoulders are censored at high school graduation ceremonies in the USA, heads are thrown around like bowling balls in TV series. All normal, all ‘entertainment’. But woe betide you if you see a nipple - then the censorship hammer screeches louder than a Trump on Truth Social.
I ask you: What has become of Europe?
We, the continent-born of the Enlightenment, the revolutions, the renaissance of nudity on canvas, in stone and on film - we have allowed a country that bottles cheese in cans, of all things, to tell us what is ‘moral’!
It's not moral, it's demurely stupid.
Why are depictions of violence in mass media allowed to flow freely like American fracking oil, but natural, aesthetic, tasteful nudity - which has been part of European art and culture for centuries - is algorithmically filtered out, demonetised and labelled with warnings as if it were uranium?
No more prudish double standards!
We need a cultural return to what we have to offer:
- Enlightenment instead of transfiguration.
- Pleasure instead of violence.
- Nudity as an expression of naturalness - not as a moral offence.
I call on you:
Banish pixelated prudery!
Let's tear apart the corset of American moral dictatorship like a badly programmed DRM protection!
Save the freedom of the breast - for Europe!Stop aligning your films, games and series with a market that beeps ‘fuck’ five times but completely waves ‘shoot him in the face’ through.
We are not Hollywood's post office box.
We are Europe.
We are culture.
We are naked! - So, metaphorically. And sometimes literally. And that's okay.Thank you for your attention!
so... Why are we naked?
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I assume that you haven’t watched any American TV shows for the past couple of decades. Nudity and gratuitous sex scenes are a staple of the American entertainment industry.
Eh. Violence is still way more prominent. If feels like the whole point of the first 5 minutes of every cable show is presenting in vivid on-screen detail a new and unheard of way a person can be horribly hurt. Nudity is unusual and worth remembering, though.
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But note that that's about nudity and sex being the same, and the sex is pornographic (that is, the intent in showing it is to arouse the viewer). The OP is about non-sexual nudity. In fact, OP doesn't mention sex at all, but I feel like it's reasonable to extend the argument to non-pornographic depictions of sex.
That's also true. Actually, I think they're both intended as pornographic in their own way.
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A billion porn sites and rule 34 are still not enough? Do mean really require titillation in all media to survive?
Yes, I'd actually say toning down both would be better 90% of the time.
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Bruh what's your problem with depictions of violence on TV?
They rarely serve a plot purpose, and getting pulled into a woodchipper is in fact worse and less normal than having sex.
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I don't think you're wrong that we should let people do what they want but it's definitely troubling that so many people want pre pubescent hairlessness in their partner. Maybe we should do away with whatever is causing that
It makes sense in porn, when the point is to show every detail up close, hair obscures the details. It's just that so many people then decide porn is what they want to model themselves after, or what they expect of partners...
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so... Why are we naked?
Because there is nothing wrong with it.
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I don't think you're wrong that we should let people do what they want but it's definitely troubling that so many people want pre pubescent hairlessness in their partner. Maybe we should do away with whatever is causing that
I see it as a supernormal stimulus: women's bodies are less hairy than men's, so a hairless body is the most feminine. Or, the young are less hairy than the old, so hairlessness is the most youthful.
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Let's just let people groom themselves however they prefer. We need to normalise accepting bodies of all kinds instead of pushing people to some particular ideal.
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I might be able to get used to being around nude sauna users. But I wouldn't want to be nude myself when using a sauna. Unortunately, I live in an area that doesn't have any single Texitilsauna within range. Looks like the only way how I can ever sauna in my neighborhood will be by suing the owner of a sauna.
@shaserlark @KornblumenratteYeah I think I’d also be fine with others being naked, like I don’t like it but who am I to tell others how to live their lives. What bothers me is this militant attitude towards nakedness, you’re going somewhere to relax but it really is an oppressive space.
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It's a funny post, but a serious point. The Europe of my childhood was different countries all very different from the US. But over time American media and algorithmic dominance are eroding things toward being America with accents. And what will you get for throwing away that cultural identity? Americans will still sneer at Europe.
I think a trickier question is: if Europe ought to retain its own identity, then shouldn't each European country retain its own identity instead of banding together as "Europe".
My view is that it's not necessary to pit regional identity vs European identity. I think it's possible to have them side by side. I appreciate many things in my region that make up our identity, but at the same time as a European I can also appreciate many cultural aspects of other regions
