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Everything you say to your Echo will be sent to Amazon starting on March 28.

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  • teknikal@eviltoast.orgT [email protected]

    There's no way they weren't doing this already.

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    I mean if they were doing this already there would be no point in sending this email out. They would have just happily continued letting people think it wasn’t happening while doing it anyway, while not having to deal with the backlash this will generate.

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      I mean if they were doing this already there would be no point in sending this email out. They would have just happily continued letting people think it wasn’t happening while doing it anyway, while not having to deal with the backlash this will generate.

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      My suspicion is they probably need to announce it now for some legal reason but there's no Amazon device with the power to do this locally so it's definitely always been sent to them.

      Now would they delete that right away or analyse it first, I kinda think they would have always done the latter.

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      • teknikal@eviltoast.orgT [email protected]

        My suspicion is they probably need to announce it now for some legal reason but there's no Amazon device with the power to do this locally so it's definitely always been sent to them.

        Now would they delete that right away or analyse it first, I kinda think they would have always done the latter.

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        I mean there’s no legal reason that would exist now that didn’t before.

        My guess is that they did honor the setting, but that was because the amount of people that used it was so low vs the total number of people that used the devices. Now with smart speaker adoption rates declining, and their desire to train AI, they have to dip into the pool of people that opted not to share.

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        • teknikal@eviltoast.orgT [email protected]

          There's no way they weren't doing this already.

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          The setting mentioned in the email was on by default. So they definitely were, they're just removing the ability to turn it off.

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          • avidamoeba@lemmy.caA [email protected]

            For anyone with existing Home Assistant setup, the Home Assistant Voice Preview is pretty good alternative, when it comes to voice control of HA. The setup is very easy. If you want conversational functionality, you could even hook it up to an LLM, cloud or local. It can also be used for media playback and it's got an aux out port.

            I used to use Google Home Mini for voice control of Home Assistant. The Voice Preview replaced that rather nicely.

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            The difference between a pi and open voice?

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              Everyone literally carries a personal recording device.

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              not everyone. and some people build their own or have ways of mitigating surveillance capitalism

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                The difference between a pi and open voice?

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                No idea, haven't used those. The HA Voice is open source through and through.

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                • tea@programming.devT [email protected]

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                  Great, they made it public.

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                    The difference between a pi and open voice?

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                    I'm using a Pi Zero as a voice satellite with an additional mic hat and a speaker hanging off the audio output and it's ... ok

                    There's definitely much lower WAF with this option

                    The voice assistant has built-in audio which appears to be high (enough) quality and considering it's case, power, etc, not to mention funding the advancement of open source voice control, it's just overall “better”

                    If you've got a Pi lying around with a mic & speaker, definitely give it a go

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                    • hexarei@programming.devH [email protected]

                      There aren't any immediate drop in replacements that won't require some work, but there is Home Assistant Voice - It just requires that you also have a Home Assistant server setup, which is the more labor intensive part. It's not hard, just a lot to learn.

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                      Thanks for the tip. I had thought of doing Home Assistant to automate things like lights but I use the Echo for other stuff too (like reminders and weather). I guess I'll just wait for the open source tech to catch up.

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                        Plenty of people I know have gotten the little echo dots or the bigger alternative with larger speakers for Christmas or birthdays. Technically they didn't spend money, but their friends and family did.

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                        They are usually on sale for less than $20

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                        • tea@programming.devT [email protected]

                          Source.

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                          badblock has an amazon list 🙂

                          https://badblock.celenity.dev/abp/amazon.txt

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                          • avidamoeba@lemmy.caA [email protected]

                            🔴 I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that.

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                            alexa! install an oligarchy!

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                            • tea@programming.devT [email protected]

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                              Definitely not a complete FOSS setup but I decided to go the Apple route a self-hosted Homebridge for non Apple home-kit enabled devices.

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                                I'm using a Pi Zero as a voice satellite with an additional mic hat and a speaker hanging off the audio output and it's ... ok

                                There's definitely much lower WAF with this option

                                The voice assistant has built-in audio which appears to be high (enough) quality and considering it's case, power, etc, not to mention funding the advancement of open source voice control, it's just overall “better”

                                If you've got a Pi lying around with a mic & speaker, definitely give it a go

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                                WAF? Wow and flutter?

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                                  They delete the recording from your device....after it has been sent to Amazon to be stored and used limitless.

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                                  Ah I see, that changes it, we really need to adopt rules like Europe where they can only store your information for so long.

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                                  • tea@programming.devT [email protected]

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                                    Duh. This why no one should have this tech as the arbiters can never be trusted with public saftey/good.

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                                      If you were using one, you were already okay with this.

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                                      Which Pinevox or Openvoice may be an alternative one day. I think I recall HomeAssistant had something in the works too.

                                      https://pine64.org/devices/pinevox/

                                      https://www.openvoiceos.org/

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                                        everything you say to your echo/alexa has always been sent to amazon.

                                        theres literally been leaks proving it.

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                                          Who the hell is the manufacture to decide if a remote feature no longer functions? (I'm guessing people don't rent these devices from Amazon - it's your property).

                                          I don't need your concent, it's in your best interests - Amazon

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