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'An Insult To Life Itself': Hayao Miyazaki’s AI Criticism Resurfaces As OpenAI’s Ghibli-Style Image Trend Takes Over Social Media

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  • B [email protected]

    You said ANY productivity. It sounds like you mean amateur productivity.

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    #172

    I think it is you who forgot what I said. AI is useless.

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    • notsoshaihulud@lemmy.worldN [email protected]

      Nah. Humans are "garbo" in general.

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      #173

      Skill Issue

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      • F [email protected]

        Skill Issue

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        #174

        It's an insight and integrity issue.

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        • B [email protected]

          Idk, AI generated boilerplate code via Copilot and similar utilities have been useful. I wouldn't trust it to build an entire system, but it does alright at automating mundane shit.

          AI in creative fields might be a different story.

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          #175

          Exactly! It's all about knowing its limitations and how to use it. If one believes AI responses over their own judgment, they lose, if one uses it to "do all the work for them", they lose, if one uses it to steal artwork from others, well, we all lose. But it tells much more about humans than AI itself.

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          • notsoshaihulud@lemmy.worldN [email protected]

            It's an insight and integrity issue.

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            #176

            Lmao you really came back after that ratio?

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            • F [email protected]

              I think it is you who forgot what I said. AI is useless.

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              #177

              Two people have told you that AI can be useful, but not if used by people who don't know what they're doing. It boosts the productivity of people who know the field they're working in, and know the strengths and weaknesses of AI.

              You ignore it and say that because some people don't know how to use it, it's completely useless.

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              • B [email protected]

                Two people have told you that AI can be useful, but not if used by people who don't know what they're doing. It boosts the productivity of people who know the field they're working in, and know the strengths and weaknesses of AI.

                You ignore it and say that because some people don't know how to use it, it's completely useless.

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                #178

                I said any productivity gains are offset by loss of quality and capability, and I actually think that's especially true in your coding example due to large measurable increase in security flaws.

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                • F [email protected]

                  I said any productivity gains are offset by loss of quality and capability, and I actually think that's especially true in your coding example due to large measurable increase in security flaws.

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                  #179

                  Any productivity it gives has a noticible drop in quality and capabilities that result in net loss.

                  The productivity that skillful users get from it does not have a drop in quality or capabilities.

                  Word it better if you want people to understand that you mean another thing entirely.

                  Also love how you're downvoting my comments just because you disagree with me, whereas I've yet to downvote any of your comments. Really puts it into perspective with what kind of a person I'm arguing with. Bye.

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                  • F [email protected]

                    Lmao you really came back after that ratio?

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                    #180

                    Only children think that discussions are settled by "internet approval points", and it's a very nice demonstration of my take above, so thanks!:)

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                    • eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.comE [email protected]

                      Yep! I'm okay with that, intellectual property is theft, and is even more so when copying is nothing but flipping a 0 into a 1. Everyone online has the right to "steal" the words on the screen I "made".

                      Copyright is theft of the public. The companies owning your favorite media isn't going to fuck you, let alone give you anything but the privilege to charge you for the licence to borrow media until its inconvenient to them.

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                      #181

                      Right. So you also don't understand what copyright is. Jesus. What is with you people.

                      "Copyright is a legal right that grants the creator of an original work exclusive control over its use and distribution for a limited time. This includes the rights to reproduce, distribute, display, and adapt the work. It protects literary, artistic, musical, and other creative works, preventing unauthorized use."

                      I don't understand what's so confusing about this.

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                      • M [email protected]

                        No one is. That's exactly the point.

                        Llms aren't recreating copyrighted works. They're drawing inspiration if you will. No copyright is being infringed.

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                        #182

                        And how is an LLM trained to "draw inspiration" from an author without reading their books?

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                        • M [email protected]

                          Right. So you also don't understand what copyright is. Jesus. What is with you people.

                          "Copyright is a legal right that grants the creator of an original work exclusive control over its use and distribution for a limited time. This includes the rights to reproduce, distribute, display, and adapt the work. It protects literary, artistic, musical, and other creative works, preventing unauthorized use."

                          I don't understand what's so confusing about this.

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                          #183

                          I don't understand what's so confusing about wanting to make art of anything you want, including based off of Disney or whatever you want.

                          Sorry that me pirating something doesn't hurt their bottom dollar but they lobby to arrest people like it does.

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                          • zoboomafoo@slrpnk.netZ [email protected]

                            And how is an LLM trained to "draw inspiration" from an author without reading their books?

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                            That's exactly what it is. But it's not replicating the book to sell that same book to generate profit the author of the book won't get.

                            It's using the information in the book to generate its own data.

                            Are you aware of how llms work?

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                            • eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.comE [email protected]

                              I don't understand what's so confusing about wanting to make art of anything you want, including based off of Disney or whatever you want.

                              Sorry that me pirating something doesn't hurt their bottom dollar but they lobby to arrest people like it does.

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                              You can make whatever art you want how ever you want. You just can't make money on it or cost the owner anything by its production because it's NOT YOURS! Why should you profit on something you don't own?

                              Pirating not withstanding it has no relevance to this conversation.

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                              • M [email protected]

                                That's exactly what it is. But it's not replicating the book to sell that same book to generate profit the author of the book won't get.

                                It's using the information in the book to generate its own data.

                                Are you aware of how llms work?

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                                Ok, so if the LLM was trained by reading the books, then the LLM creators should have to buy a copy of the books, right?

                                Because right now the creators are pirating the books to feed into the machine.

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                                • A [email protected]

                                  forgot they call weed drug

                                  Clearly you didn't, because weed is completely unrelated to this story. You saw the word 'drug' and assumed it must mean 'marijuana'.

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                                  Thanks appreciate your edit, i was speaking in general that they can call someone selling weed as drug dealer and kick them out of the country. So the word drug dealer in the US by itself doesn't mean the person is gang member or horrible person.

                                  Regardless thanks again for the edit! Have a good day..

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                                  • zoboomafoo@slrpnk.netZ [email protected]

                                    Ok, so if the LLM was trained by reading the books, then the LLM creators should have to buy a copy of the books, right?

                                    Because right now the creators are pirating the books to feed into the machine.

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                                    If the people who make llms are illegally acquiring copywrited material without paying for it then the creators of the llms should be held accountable by the authority figures that govern such crimes and infringments. Absolutely. That was never in question or a relevant point in this discussion.

                                    You're the one saying that copywrite shouldn't exist and you should be able to use all and any material you wish for any reason at any time.

                                    Insane American copywrite laws not withstanding copywrite generally protects the creators of their work from others profiting off of it.

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                                    • M [email protected]

                                      If the people who make llms are illegally acquiring copywrited material without paying for it then the creators of the llms should be held accountable by the authority figures that govern such crimes and infringments. Absolutely. That was never in question or a relevant point in this discussion.

                                      You're the one saying that copywrite shouldn't exist and you should be able to use all and any material you wish for any reason at any time.

                                      Insane American copywrite laws not withstanding copywrite generally protects the creators of their work from others profiting off of it.

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                                      #189

                                      That is literally the point of this comment thread, go back and reread it.

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                                      • chocobofangirl@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

                                        What part of literally all drugs did you not get from the list at the bottom mentioning places like Portugal and Croatia?

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                                        Well shit, I stand corrected!

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                                        • F [email protected]

                                          You got a link for that? I'm not finding anything online linking Rumeysa Ozturk to anything related to drugs

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                                          No, Ozturk is suspected for supporting Hammas - maybe he's selling Fentanyl for Hammas? 😂 But if that's true, out she goes. If it's not, I hope she can sue their asses for defamation and whatever else can stick.

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