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  • R [email protected]

    Not exactly. West didn't care too much about other non-western countries having nukes. Two nations who have nukes borderline almost started a war in Asia (Pakistan and India). Iran is a special case, just like North Korea is. Unlike others, the two I mentioned have essentially declared themselves as the enemies of the west, so naturally west wants to keep them away from such destructive weapons

    EDIT: Third one would be Russia, but there was already conflicts and a long standoff. The Russia has made it clear they can invade everyone but no one can invade them. Coincidentally, same could be said for USA.

    Just my two cents, from some philosophing east european slav here.

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    Iran is a special case. Unlike others, the two I mentioned have essentially declared themselves as the enemies of the west,

    You reversed it. The west made itself the enemy of iran

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    • D [email protected]

      Iran is literally funding all terrorist organizations in the region and even beyond that directly support Ruzies 🙄

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      Resistance groups

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      • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

        Tehran “is the principal source of regional instability and terror,” declare G7 leaders in a joint statement.

        The leaders of the G7 countries on Monday issued a joint statement saying Iran should not have nuclear weapons and affirming Israel's right to defend itself.

        "Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror. We have been consistently clear that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon," declared the statement, issued by the leaders of the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan, along with the EU.

        They pledged to "remain vigilant to the implications for international energy markets and stand ready to coordinate, including with like-minded partners, to safeguard market stability."

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        • M [email protected]

          So let me get this straight. Because one of the countries in this war is comitting genocide, the other country MUST be a victim of the war? Was the Soviet Union a victim when Germany attacked them?

          No. Israel is committing genocide. We all fucking know this, no need to point it out. Iran is a theorcratic rule that tortures people for holding hands with the wrong sex. They regard women as household items. Iran is not a fucking victim. The iranian government needs to fucking suffer violently, preferably by the hands of their own people, but Israel will do.

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          You must understand this is the zeitgeist. The entirety of the Middle East are victims, including mullahs, Taliban, autocrats and sheikhs. Crazy how people can't at least view it from two sides or in grey tones.

          I won't disagree that the Western-led world order has created instability in the region and worldview, but I sincerely doubt that an Islamic world order would be in any way better. Most are just jealous that they don't get to do the exploitation

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          • P [email protected]

            History, history, history... (very long story)

            Starts in 2022

            My dude...

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            #112

            Duh. OP asked about the position world leaders hold on the topic, not The Entire History of Everything™. Hence, the latter was cut for brevity.

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            • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

              Tehran “is the principal source of regional instability and terror,” declare G7 leaders in a joint statement.

              The leaders of the G7 countries on Monday issued a joint statement saying Iran should not have nuclear weapons and affirming Israel's right to defend itself.

              "Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror. We have been consistently clear that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon," declared the statement, issued by the leaders of the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan, along with the EU.

              They pledged to "remain vigilant to the implications for international energy markets and stand ready to coordinate, including with like-minded partners, to safeguard market stability."

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              #113

              People with nuclear weapons have forbidden you from having nuclear weapons?

              Humans are a goofy lot.

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              • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                Tehran “is the principal source of regional instability and terror,” declare G7 leaders in a joint statement.

                The leaders of the G7 countries on Monday issued a joint statement saying Iran should not have nuclear weapons and affirming Israel's right to defend itself.

                "Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror. We have been consistently clear that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon," declared the statement, issued by the leaders of the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan, along with the EU.

                They pledged to "remain vigilant to the implications for international energy markets and stand ready to coordinate, including with like-minded partners, to safeguard market stability."

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                Iran: "We're good then, we don't just have one."

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                • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                  Tehran “is the principal source of regional instability and terror,” declare G7 leaders in a joint statement.

                  The leaders of the G7 countries on Monday issued a joint statement saying Iran should not have nuclear weapons and affirming Israel's right to defend itself.

                  "Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror. We have been consistently clear that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon," declared the statement, issued by the leaders of the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan, along with the EU.

                  They pledged to "remain vigilant to the implications for international energy markets and stand ready to coordinate, including with like-minded partners, to safeguard market stability."

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                  Whatever.

                  Don’t care if yanks go get blown up in the Middle East. It’s all in service of enriching Halliburton and the military industrial complex. Yawn. It is 2003 again?

                  Whatever happened to: “tRuMp iS tHe PeAcE pReSIdEnT”.

                  I thought the US was trillions in debt. There’s always money for war.

                  Can’t wait to laugh at this smoothbrained crew of assclowns as they try to fight a foreign war. Good luck maintaining those supply chains for US war mongering when the whole world fucking hates you.

                  FFS. Anyway. Next.

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                  • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                    Tehran “is the principal source of regional instability and terror,” declare G7 leaders in a joint statement.

                    The leaders of the G7 countries on Monday issued a joint statement saying Iran should not have nuclear weapons and affirming Israel's right to defend itself.

                    "Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror. We have been consistently clear that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon," declared the statement, issued by the leaders of the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan, along with the EU.

                    They pledged to "remain vigilant to the implications for international energy markets and stand ready to coordinate, including with like-minded partners, to safeguard market stability."

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                    #116

                    found a few familiar resources in iran that the western world and its allies would love to gain full control of.

                    Oil
                    Due to the vast quantities of crude oil reserves within Iran, the nation is considered an energy superpower. According to official records from the Iranian government, in 2006, the crude oil reserves in the nation were estimated to be 132.5 billion barrels. At the time, Iran's reserves were estimated to be 15% of the total reserves of all the members of the organization of petroleum exporting countries. In comparison to the rest of the world, Iran's 2006 oil reserves were approximately 11.4% of the global reserves. After the discovery of oil reserves around the town of Bushehr, the oil reserves in Iran increased by roughly 32%. According to the International Monetary Fund, the monetary value of Iran's oil reserves was estimated to be $10 trillion. The Iranian government entered into several agreements with oil companies from a variety of nations such as the United Kingdom, Russia, the Netherlands, and Spain to develop the oil reserves. Several oil refineries are situated within Iran's boundaries with the most prominent being Abadan, Esfahan, and Bandar-e Abbas. The main method of transporting Iranian petroleum is through the pipeline. According to a study carried out in 2004, pipelines in Iran transported roughly 69% of the refined petroleum products.

                    Natural Gas
                    Iran also has massive reserves of natural gas that according to official government records are estimated to be 1,201 trillion cubic feet. Iran's reserves are some of the largest in the world as they account for close to 18% of the world's total. The only nation with larger gas reserves than Iran is Russia. In 2011, the Iranian petroleum minister released a report indicating that Iran's reserves of natural gas had increased significantly due to the discovery of gas reserves within the Caspian Sea. The Caspian reserves were estimated to be 50 trillion cubic feet. Iran is currently exploiting a limited amount of its natural gas reserves, and on average it exploits 5.5 trillion cubic feet annually. The Iranian government has planned to invest huge sums of money in improving the gas industry. The government has planned to set aside $15 billion every year to increase the annual natural gas production. The Iranian government is planning to take advantage of the increase in the demand for natural gas all over the world. Estimates indicate that over 20 years the global demand for natural gas would increase by either 2% or 3%. Some of the main markets for Iranian natural gas include China and india

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                    • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                      Tehran “is the principal source of regional instability and terror,” declare G7 leaders in a joint statement.

                      The leaders of the G7 countries on Monday issued a joint statement saying Iran should not have nuclear weapons and affirming Israel's right to defend itself.

                      "Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror. We have been consistently clear that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon," declared the statement, issued by the leaders of the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan, along with the EU.

                      They pledged to "remain vigilant to the implications for international energy markets and stand ready to coordinate, including with like-minded partners, to safeguard market stability."

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                      NO ONE should have them. Dumb asses.

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                      • P [email protected]

                        "Tehran “is the principal source of regional instability and terror,”

                        I guess we all just have to pretend Israel doesn't exist?

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                        Tbf they both are...

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                        • M [email protected]

                          Israel is the principal source of regional instability and terror and everyone and his dog knows this.

                          The kowtowing to Trump and his Zionist sponsors by the client states of the US Empire is an insult to objective reality.

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                          Seriously. We’re supposed to regard Iran as an existential threat that is worth any price to neutralize. Okay, boomers.

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                          • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                            Tehran “is the principal source of regional instability and terror,” declare G7 leaders in a joint statement.

                            The leaders of the G7 countries on Monday issued a joint statement saying Iran should not have nuclear weapons and affirming Israel's right to defend itself.

                            "Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror. We have been consistently clear that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon," declared the statement, issued by the leaders of the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan, along with the EU.

                            They pledged to "remain vigilant to the implications for international energy markets and stand ready to coordinate, including with like-minded partners, to safeguard market stability."

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                            Nukes for me but not for thee

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                            • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                              Tehran “is the principal source of regional instability and terror,” declare G7 leaders in a joint statement.

                              The leaders of the G7 countries on Monday issued a joint statement saying Iran should not have nuclear weapons and affirming Israel's right to defend itself.

                              "Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror. We have been consistently clear that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon," declared the statement, issued by the leaders of the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan, along with the EU.

                              They pledged to "remain vigilant to the implications for international energy markets and stand ready to coordinate, including with like-minded partners, to safeguard market stability."

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                              Israel is the criminal and everyone knows it.

                              Israel will face the long-term consequences of its reckless behavior. Just not today.

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                              • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                                Tehran “is the principal source of regional instability and terror,” declare G7 leaders in a joint statement.

                                The leaders of the G7 countries on Monday issued a joint statement saying Iran should not have nuclear weapons and affirming Israel's right to defend itself.

                                "Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror. We have been consistently clear that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon," declared the statement, issued by the leaders of the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan, along with the EU.

                                They pledged to "remain vigilant to the implications for international energy markets and stand ready to coordinate, including with like-minded partners, to safeguard market stability."

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                                Even the statement is not about protecting people lives but about market stability.

                                They are not working for the people...

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                                • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                                  Tehran “is the principal source of regional instability and terror,” declare G7 leaders in a joint statement.

                                  The leaders of the G7 countries on Monday issued a joint statement saying Iran should not have nuclear weapons and affirming Israel's right to defend itself.

                                  "Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror. We have been consistently clear that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon," declared the statement, issued by the leaders of the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan, along with the EU.

                                  They pledged to "remain vigilant to the implications for international energy markets and stand ready to coordinate, including with like-minded partners, to safeguard market stability."

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                                  #123

                                  Ukraine gave up their nukes, look what happened to them. Libya gave their nuclear weapons program up, and look at them today. North Korea didn't, and they're still standing, for better or for worse. Iraq was accused of having nukes, but didn't have them, and got destroyed. Seems that if you want any semblance of sovereignty outside of NATO, you better have some nukes.

                                  So for any nations reading along I'll summarize the basic conclusions:

                                  1. Get nukes
                                  2. If you have nukes, do not give them up
                                  3. If you're accused of having nukes, drop everything and get nukes asap

                                  Do you think Israel would be bombing Iran if they had nukes?

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                                  • circav@lemmy.caC [email protected]

                                    Whatever.

                                    Don’t care if yanks go get blown up in the Middle East. It’s all in service of enriching Halliburton and the military industrial complex. Yawn. It is 2003 again?

                                    Whatever happened to: “tRuMp iS tHe PeAcE pReSIdEnT”.

                                    I thought the US was trillions in debt. There’s always money for war.

                                    Can’t wait to laugh at this smoothbrained crew of assclowns as they try to fight a foreign war. Good luck maintaining those supply chains for US war mongering when the whole world fucking hates you.

                                    FFS. Anyway. Next.

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                                    Don’t care if yanks go get blown up in the Middle East. It’s all in service of enriching Halliburton and the military industrial complex. Yawn. It is 2003 again?

                                    The last time they did this, a million Iraqis died.

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                                    • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                                      Tehran “is the principal source of regional instability and terror,” declare G7 leaders in a joint statement.

                                      The leaders of the G7 countries on Monday issued a joint statement saying Iran should not have nuclear weapons and affirming Israel's right to defend itself.

                                      "Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror. We have been consistently clear that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon," declared the statement, issued by the leaders of the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan, along with the EU.

                                      They pledged to "remain vigilant to the implications for international energy markets and stand ready to coordinate, including with like-minded partners, to safeguard market stability."

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                                      Isreal has bombed Iran

                                      everyone likes this

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                                      • R [email protected]

                                        Iran is a special case. Unlike others, the two I mentioned have essentially declared themselves as the enemies of the west,

                                        You reversed it. The west made itself the enemy of iran

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                                        Elaborate..

                                        For others who don't want the alternative history: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–United_States_relations

                                        Iranian explanations for the animosity with the United States include “the natural and unavoidable conflict between the Islamic system” and “such an oppressive power as the United States, which is trying to establish a global dictatorship and further its own interests by dominating other nations and trampling on their rights”, as well as the United States support for Israel ("the Zionist entity").[11][12] In the West, however, different explanations have been considered,[1] including the Iranian government's need for an external bogeyman to furnish a pretext for domestic repression against pro-democratic forces and to bind the government to its loyal constituency.[13] The United States attributes the worsening of relations to the 1979–81 Iran hostage crisis,[1] Iran's repeated human rights abuses since the Islamic Revolution, different restrictions on using spy methods on democratic revolutions by the US, its anti-Western ideology and its nuclear program.[14][15]

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                                        • M [email protected]

                                          Please don't make Iran out to be some sort of victim in all this. What Israel is doing is wrong, but Iran has funded a lot of terrorists throughout the years, and execute people in medival ways for holding hands with the "wrong" person.

                                          The iranian government is pure fucking evil and deserves to die horrible deaths for what they instigate and fund around the world and in their local area.

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                                          Dude. I don't disagree but this is not helpful. What's helpful is acknowledging that none of that matters to the US. Our greatest allies in the region have all of what you listed and more.

                                          All this sentiment does is manufacture concent for this war. There is one constant factor in the west asia. A constant that continues to keep countries from being able to have civil rights movements, keeps their citizens impoverished, keeps dictatorships and monarchs in power while everyday people suffer.

                                          That constant is US intervention and disruption of the region. Intervention against evil authoritarian rule only when that countries rulers don't allow US exploitation or threaten it's imperialist interest.

                                          It serves no purpose what you're doing. Otherwise I think you should be more concerned about the US arming Saudi Arabia or Israel. Both of those countries have significantly more innocent people slaughtered under their rule.

                                          Iran and it's people will only know civil liberties and equal rights when they are given the stability to have those movements of their own.

                                          Do you think the best thing for the US civil rights movement would have been a bombing campaign from Canada? No.

                                          Please. Again, I don't defend Iran if we're talking about it in a bubble. But the world does not work like that. And comments like yours only manufacture consent for the invasion of a country that attacked no one without first being attacked. That's it. We don't need to try to pick apart anything more than that.

                                          If you care about gay people in Iran. You should care about them being bombed. End of story. That should be everyone utmost focus right now. There is no gay person in Iran right now thinking "oh, finally the bombs of freedom reign!". No, they are thinking "oh fuck, I need to get me and my family and friends out of here"

                                          Sorry, a bit of a rant. So much so that I came back to re-edit the comment later. But, right now, I think it's really important that we don't fall for this type of narrative. The fascist controlling America are doing everything they can to manufacture concent with the Liberals.

                                          The intentions of your comment are good and correct. But they are only helpful in a vacuum outside of the war mongering fascism that is rising.

                                          If the only threat to Iran was it's civil rights violations you'd be right. But the threat to Iran right now is it's population experiencing what Gaza has for the last 21 months. Something I pray they don't experience.

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