This is madness
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You are wrong and i prefer the outdoors being remotely habitable.
Even at like -40, theres gear to make it tolerable. At 100f/40c, it's just an oven, and even survivors will need shower+salt
We're at 40 currently, it's very hard to breathe
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First of all, I don't wake up with the sun. Having it rise earlier is better for me to wake up naturally, and the normal time would actually help me get up early enough to enjoy the cooler morning before work.
I’m guessing you meant you do wake up with the sun. It doesn’t matter what time the sun comes up then, just wake up with it and enjoy the cool morning then.
Second, I am just as happy when the sun goes down. In fact, if it didn't go down so fucking late I would have an extra hour of less blazing hot temps as the sun goes down to relax outside before bed.
This literally makes no sense. The temperature will be just as hot at whatever time of day it is no matter whether it’s Standard time or Daylight Saving time.
I would also like to get to sleep at a reasonable hour, but DST makes that harder.
Exactly. Standard time makes this harder. I would like to get sleep at 5 am, a reasonable hour. You do realize the majority of the planet doesn’t go to sleep until after 11pm right? https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-bedtime-by-country
You’d literally be forcing the majority of the population to get even less sleep, since the sun would be interrupting their sleep more. If you go to sleep before 11pm you are in the absolute extreme minority.
First of all, I meant what I wrote. Outside of being forced to wake up early for business hours, I wake up naturally an hour or two after the sun comes up. Right now I get up about when the sun comes up, but early and late in DST the sun doesn't even come up until after I have left for work. So no sun early in the morning before work except right now.
Second, if the sun goes down at 8 pm instead of 9 pm because of DST, it is cooler at 8 pm. If I didn't have to follow DST for work then it wouldn't matter because I could just stay up later and wake up later, but that isn't what we are talking about.
The rest of the world stays up in the summer because of DST. Also, I am expressing my opinion, not the opinion of the world's average. Also, I go to sleep around midnight because the sun is up so fucking late during DST, and then have to drag my ass out of bed in the morning because the sun doesn't come up at the natural time.
If they are sleeping based on the sun, they would probably go to bed earlier and get up earlier, right? It would be easier with the sun going down earlier in the evening!
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Where do you live? Maybe you could choose a more temperate climate
wrote last edited by [email protected]"oh just move country if you don't like the heat" true fivehead statement the uk is supposed to be temperate but climate change happened there is nowhere temperate anymore
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Objectively,
Because we would be avoiding the 2 jet lag times a year which have been proven to cause deadly (traffic) accidents.
Because the other alternative of always dst means sun only gets up at 10am in winter which can negatively impact mental health (especially for children and teenagers)
Subjectively,
Because some people actually enjoy summer nights.
Because getting up on time is easier with more sunlight. And waking gradually and naturally at 5:30 beats waking forcefully by alarm at 6:30
DST is in use 3/4 of the year. It is "normal" time, where everyone recognizes that 4am is entirely too fucking early for a sunrise, so we push that back to 5AM.
"Standard" time is the abnormal abomination that we currently switch to for about 3 months in winter.
Seasonal depression in kids and teens is primarily due to the lack of outdoor activities in winter, which is caused by an abnormally early sunset driving them indoors immediately after school.
Locking the clocks on normal, "summer" time solves the problems with the time change. The "kids walking to school in the dark" problem is mitigated by the fact that they already spend the darkest three weeks of the year on winter vacation; we can extend that one more week by stealing three days from each end of the summer vacation. The remaining two or three weeks of early morning darkness do not justify stealing months of evening daylight from the rest of us.
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But also the other 23 hours.
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I think that most winter lovers/summer haters live fairly south (like, not in areas north enough for taiga or tundra) and have never experienced a real winter. Come back to me when you have spent 5 months with only a few hours of sunlight, streets slippery as hell, barely any vegetation or animals, and being cold as hell.
Nah, I know Finnish people who like winter and their winters are hard core.
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"oh just move country if you don't like the heat" true fivehead statement the uk is supposed to be temperate but climate change happened there is nowhere temperate anymore
There’s plenty of temperate locations, sounds like you just haven’t bothered to look. I live in one, but it’s in America so I wouldn’t suggest that to anyone not already here. I’m guessing further north in the uk or in Northern Ireland you would find plenty of temperate regions.
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Do you know how depressing it is to only experience the sun while at work and not outside of it in the winter?
Especially those times of year where you're in the office before the sun rises, and leave after it sets. Oh, and you work in a windowless room.
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First of all, I meant what I wrote. Outside of being forced to wake up early for business hours, I wake up naturally an hour or two after the sun comes up. Right now I get up about when the sun comes up, but early and late in DST the sun doesn't even come up until after I have left for work. So no sun early in the morning before work except right now.
Second, if the sun goes down at 8 pm instead of 9 pm because of DST, it is cooler at 8 pm. If I didn't have to follow DST for work then it wouldn't matter because I could just stay up later and wake up later, but that isn't what we are talking about.
The rest of the world stays up in the summer because of DST. Also, I am expressing my opinion, not the opinion of the world's average. Also, I go to sleep around midnight because the sun is up so fucking late during DST, and then have to drag my ass out of bed in the morning because the sun doesn't come up at the natural time.
If they are sleeping based on the sun, they would probably go to bed earlier and get up earlier, right? It would be easier with the sun going down earlier in the evening!
Those averages have nothing to do with summer. In fact many of those locations don’t obey daylight saving time at all, so no, your point is just incorrect. I understand you are stating your opinion, but your opinion would affect the vast majority of the planet in a negative way. Having people drive to work in the dark is a much better outcome for the majority of the planet than having it get dark when the majority of the planet is doing activities unrelated to work.
Most people don’t sleep based on the sun, they sleep based on their work schedule. That’s why DST is superior, because work schedules will just move earlier to make sure that they’re capturing when people are first waking up, you’ll never get rid of that. What you can do is make it so that it’s light when people are performing after school activities, club sports, events, hanging out with friends, etc.
You can always use blackout curtains, so any argument about sleep is never going to be relevant to this conversation. What is relevant is work and play.
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I think that most winter lovers/summer haters live fairly south (like, not in areas north enough for taiga or tundra) and have never experienced a real winter. Come back to me when you have spent 5 months with only a few hours of sunlight, streets slippery as hell, barely any vegetation or animals, and being cold as hell.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I lived in Fairbanks, AK for almost three years. I've also lived in Bethel for a little over a year and spent about 6 months in Barrow. I grew up in Anchorage. If I could afford to have seasonal houses, my summer home would be in Barrow and my winter home would be in Fairbanks.
Fuck anywhere that gets above 65F at any point during the year. It's currently 62F in Anchorage and while it's bearable, it's bordering on becoming miserable.
Fuck Summer and the Sun it rode in on.
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I love that, thank you very much.
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I think that most winter lovers/summer haters live fairly south (like, not in areas north enough for taiga or tundra) and have never experienced a real winter. Come back to me when you have spent 5 months with only a few hours of sunlight, streets slippery as hell, barely any vegetation or animals, and being cold as hell.
I think it's a bit hard to live further south than Punta Arenas but I loved winter there despite it being far from warm.
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Better than winter depression. Better than recognizing it's getting dark, wondering where the day has gone but it's only 16:30. Better than waking up in the darkness and realising it's still two or three hours till sunrise. Better than going to work before the sun rises and getting home after it sets, only seeing the sun like an image, a distant promise when looking out the window at work.
My depression goes away in the Winter. Come summer I get seasonal agression and hide in the basement.
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There’s plenty of temperate locations, sounds like you just haven’t bothered to look. I live in one, but it’s in America so I wouldn’t suggest that to anyone not already here. I’m guessing further north in the uk or in Northern Ireland you would find plenty of temperate regions.
wrote last edited by [email protected]again hur dur just move bro it was temperate here 10 years ago you think it won't be hotter in the north soon even if I wanted to move I live in social housing on disability and am reliant on help from my family just moving to the other side of the country to avoid summer isn't an option also I've lived in the north when I went there for school it was pretty damn hot there in the summer not as bad but it was not that much cooler
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I wish, Toronto is too far east in its timezone so the sun is up too early and goes down too early
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I can't wait to finally have winter again. Thanks, this brought a tear to my eye.
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I don't care about the sun being up at 9 or 10 still.
I hate the god damn heat! Get this climate change under control!
That’s a hard ask of the stupids of the world.
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I lived in Fairbanks, AK for almost three years. I've also lived in Bethel for a little over a year and spent about 6 months in Barrow. I grew up in Anchorage. If I could afford to have seasonal houses, my summer home would be in Barrow and my winter home would be in Fairbanks.
Fuck anywhere that gets above 65F at any point during the year. It's currently 62F in Anchorage and while it's bearable, it's bordering on becoming miserable.
Fuck Summer and the Sun it rode in on.
That sounds so amazing. Air temperature outside my car driving back from the store was 114F a few minutes ago. You can't go outside, you can't get fresh air into your house, and the a/c runs full blast 24/7 just to hit 72F inside, until the power grid fails, again, because it's more profitable to not properly maintain the equipment. I need to get out of here. Texas sucks.
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More like 1:30 PM, during midwinter.
The long dark near the Arctic circle... -
The time doesn’t affect the weather. It’s still going to be hot or cold out for the exact same length of time. Time zone changes only affect whether you’re working or playing at those times. I’d rather have the option than be forced to be working when the sun is out.
Living by our kinda-bullshit abstractions we made to describe reality and avoid deeper understanding as if that were material reality, in defiance of material reality.
You live in a waking lie, you drown in a sea of bullshit, you propagate a cognitive disease. Please stop.
