Government condemns Glastonbury chants aired live on BBC
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Aye, true progress was being made and that couldn't be allowed to happen. Germany's Blitzkrieg tactics were practised on Spain before they began their expansion.
I tried but I have an unfortunate case of bees in my brain so I didn't finish it. Need to give it another go. The portion that I read was interesting though!
Who's the revolutions podcast by?
Edit: https://thehistoryofrome.typepad.com/revolutions_podcast/ this?
Yeah that's the lad. The history of Rome is incredible. I only fell into Revolutions because I needed something to fill the gap after history of Rome and his style is very easy listening.
I'm being a bit more picky with the sections I listen to in revolutions but really enjoying it so far.
It's on Spotify etc if you have that.
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Comparing Israel to Nazi-Germany is antisemitic and comparing the war crimes in Gaza to the Holocaust is at least Holocaust minimization.
Also criticizing people for supporting islamistic terrorists like Hamas or Hezbollah doesn't imply support for Israel.
Comparisons don't need to be 100% equivalent. Nazism was about the supremacy of the pseudo race called Aryan, zionism is about jewish supremacy
The nazis was doing mass shooting, the idf do mass shooting and mass bombing. Both the nazis and the idf are starving people. The Nazis used gas chambers, the idf is shooting at people seeking aids with the new terrorist organization claiming to be an aid organization
Just because holocaust killed a lot more people doesn't mean we can't compare it with the genocide is gaza.You make the antisemitism worse by using it for any criticism of Israel. The fact that you call resistance group terrorism terrorism but say nothing about Israel terrorism being a lot more brutal for 77 years show that you are not neutral
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Israel is a democracy with a far-right government, not fascism. Even though the situation in the Westbank might be similar to Apartheid. Nazi-Germany executed an industrial murder of over 6 million Jews, this is not the same!
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I'm so tired about people only criticizing Netanyahu. Sure he is the worst of worst for Palestinians but every single goddamn prime was oppressing Palestinians . The problem is the fundamental ideology that run Israel zionism
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No it’s not. Because Netanyahu alone isn’t responsible for Gaza, everyone supporting Zionism is and especially those who are in the Zionist army that is the one carrying out the genocide.
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You're saying it as if this is common, it's absolutely not. Russian defections and desertions to Ukraine and vice versa are very rare, and for good reason. The chances of you successfully running away are slim compared to failing and getting killed by either Russia or Ukraine. If it was as easy as you think it is then number of causalities among troops in this war wouldn't be in the millions.
But this also ignores how these are not comparable situations at all. The Gaza war is nothing like the Ukraine war, where are IDF conscripts supposed to defect to? It's not like there's anything in Gaza, they can't leave through legal channels, and all their neighboring countries will kill them the moment they find out they're in the IDF. It's a difficult situation to be in.
This is just not true. In apartheid Israel if you’re Jewish you are very privileged and you can deny service. Also, no one is gonna kill you, Israelis travel to Egypt, Jordan, etc. just fine unfortunately. And most of them are either still in the IDF or were part of it at some point. They join the IDF because they want to and because they are Zionists, not because they are forced to.
Idk what kind of bs this is you’re spreading, but just because they’re not the incarnation of Ben Gurion it doesn’t mean they’re innocent. If you are part of an entity that commits war crimes you are complicit.
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The big takeaway from WWII is that the Nazis were evil and responsible for the atrocities that they committed, not the German people. Low ranking soldiers being complacent through coercion is not the same thing as being a leader who has influence over the situation. That's why we condemn Hitler and the Nazi leaders, and not the foot soldiers.
We absolutely do condemn the foot soldiers and it’s a shame that they have never been held responsible. And we condemn Zionist foot soldiers as well and there needs to be some kind of Jerusalem trials or whatever next where Israelis need to be de-Nazified, Zionism is irredeemable.
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A heavy accusation.
The Guardian newspaper, New York Times, Oxford research, Mondoweiss all cite the quote without any note of it being controversial, so your calling it a conspiracy theory is itself the conspiracy theory, unless you have some proof? Show us all your proof of your libelous accusation that is of similar standing to those 4 sources?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/may/12/israel1
https://mondoweiss.net/2013/06/the-young-palestinian/
It also is exactly the same sentiment Ben Gurion expressed in so many venues and written letters in very similar wording. Are you denying that this is what -- and how Ben Gurion (aka David Gruen before he moved from New York city to Palestine to found Israel) thought? Does your reflex toward revisionist history stretch so far? And you are pivotting from one lie to another aren't you, because I see you have nothing to say about your previous accusation about "antisemtisim" huh. Well thats fine, I accept your apology as long as you don't let those lies and slanderous accusations happen again.
Back up your self serving fantastical claims or dont make them. No one here has time for lies.
Wich quote? Did you even read the (now deleted) comment, In answered to?
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These idiots also chanted "up Hamas, up Hezbollah". How stupid do you habe to be to publicly support terrorism? This is not helping the Palestinian cause.
They never cared for the palestinian cause. It's just white middle class' substitute for religious belief. We are the divinely good, they are the divinely bad. Thus devoid of all critical thinking.
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The government has "strongly condemned" chants at Glastonbury Festival from rap punk duo Bob Vylan calling for "death" to the Israeli military and broadcast live on the BBC.
Rapper Bobby Vylan led chants of "free, free Palestine" and "death, death to the IDF [Israel Defense Forces]" during their set, which came just before Belfast rap trio Kneecap.
A BBC spokesperson said some of the comments were "deeply offensive", adding it had issued a warning on screen about "very strong and discriminatory language". The set will not be available to rewatch on BBC iPlayer.
Police said they were reviewing videos of comments made by Bob Vylan and Kneecap to decide whether any offences had been committed.
2IDFFUCK THE ISRAELI DEFENSE FORCE
IDF are a bunch of genocidal terrorist fascist fucks
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The government has "strongly condemned" chants at Glastonbury Festival from rap punk duo Bob Vylan calling for "death" to the Israeli military and broadcast live on the BBC.
Rapper Bobby Vylan led chants of "free, free Palestine" and "death, death to the IDF [Israel Defense Forces]" during their set, which came just before Belfast rap trio Kneecap.
A BBC spokesperson said some of the comments were "deeply offensive", adding it had issued a warning on screen about "very strong and discriminatory language". The set will not be available to rewatch on BBC iPlayer.
Police said they were reviewing videos of comments made by Bob Vylan and Kneecap to decide whether any offences had been committed.
Starmer, fall on a stake.
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Wich quote? Did you even read the (now deleted) comment, In answered to?
Repeating antisemitic conspiracy ideology
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The government has "strongly condemned" chants at Glastonbury Festival from rap punk duo Bob Vylan calling for "death" to the Israeli military and broadcast live on the BBC.
Rapper Bobby Vylan led chants of "free, free Palestine" and "death, death to the IDF [Israel Defense Forces]" during their set, which came just before Belfast rap trio Kneecap.
A BBC spokesperson said some of the comments were "deeply offensive", adding it had issued a warning on screen about "very strong and discriminatory language". The set will not be available to rewatch on BBC iPlayer.
Police said they were reviewing videos of comments made by Bob Vylan and Kneecap to decide whether any offences had been committed.
Of course, everybody knows that “free, free Palestine” is “very strong and discriminatory language” if you are member of genocidal IDF.
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The big takeaway from WWII is that the Nazis were evil and responsible for the atrocities that they committed, not the German people. Low ranking soldiers being complacent through coercion is not the same thing as being a leader who has influence over the situation. That's why we condemn Hitler and the Nazi leaders, and not the foot soldiers.
Your takeaway from WWII is that the guy shoving the kids into the gas chambers should not be condemned? What the fuck is wrong with you?
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Comparing Israel to Nazi-Germany is antisemitic and comparing the war crimes in Gaza to the Holocaust is at least Holocaust minimization.
Also criticizing people for supporting islamistic terrorists like Hamas or Hezbollah doesn't imply support for Israel.
True that, Israel has been brutalizing Palestinians for decades, they surpassed the teacher by far.
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Comparing Israel to Nazi-Germany is antisemitic and comparing the war crimes in Gaza to the Holocaust is at least Holocaust minimization.
Also criticizing people for supporting islamistic terrorists like Hamas or Hezbollah doesn't imply support for Israel.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Fun little tidbit to tighten your trolling knickers: The finance minister of Israel said they intend to "entirely destroy" Gaza. They are doing this by raining fire upon it, from the White Phosphorus attacks going years before October 7th, to bombing hospitals and schools, and burning aid convoys and covering the ashes with sand so they don't have to look at their crimes.
Did you know that we have a word in the English language (and most others with Greek roots) that means, literally, "to entirely destroy by fire"?
That's right, the word is fucking "Holocaust".
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Yeah that's the lad. The history of Rome is incredible. I only fell into Revolutions because I needed something to fill the gap after history of Rome and his style is very easy listening.
I'm being a bit more picky with the sections I listen to in revolutions but really enjoying it so far.
It's on Spotify etc if you have that.
Sweet, ta! I listened to The History of Rome a few years ago so I'll check this one out.
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Yet you don't use this excuse for hamas. It suck that they had to do a terrorist act for people to talk again about 77 years of oppresion by israel. The idf leaving gaza to control it from outside and continuing occupying the west bank, demolishing house, torturing paleatinians , raping them and killing them make it hard for hamas to resist following international law.
Would you have use the same argument for nazis to follow hitler?
Don't you also see how many idf soldiers are filming themselves mocking plaestinians and having fun?
My point is universal. Actually A lot pro Israelis use this very argument a lot:
"Why don't Gazans just rise up and overthrow Hamas?"
As if that simple. People talk about Israel on here a lot, but they constantly overlook that Hamas is a tyrannical terrorist group against Gazans as well. They rule through fear and violence. People who talk about them being a legitimate resistance group forget that these are the same people who have systematically chased out the Christian minority in Gaza, killed their opposition in the strip, banned free speech, and they killed/kidnapped/torutured anybody they don't like by saying they work for the enemy. Netanyahu was literally funding them in their early years, so you know that they don't have the best interests of Palestinians in mind.
It's really hard for people to rise against tyranny. It's really hard for people to stand up to the powerful. Things like bravery and morally right no matter what are cute ideas that people can talk about on the internet, but in the real world nobody is going to give up their lives.
Also keep in mind, calling out this stupid point doesn't mean that someone is now magically a Hamas supporter who advocates for terrorism nor does the opposite make someone an Israeli supporter who advocates for war crimes.
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My point is universal. Actually A lot pro Israelis use this very argument a lot:
"Why don't Gazans just rise up and overthrow Hamas?"
As if that simple. People talk about Israel on here a lot, but they constantly overlook that Hamas is a tyrannical terrorist group against Gazans as well. They rule through fear and violence. People who talk about them being a legitimate resistance group forget that these are the same people who have systematically chased out the Christian minority in Gaza, killed their opposition in the strip, banned free speech, and they killed/kidnapped/torutured anybody they don't like by saying they work for the enemy. Netanyahu was literally funding them in their early years, so you know that they don't have the best interests of Palestinians in mind.
It's really hard for people to rise against tyranny. It's really hard for people to stand up to the powerful. Things like bravery and morally right no matter what are cute ideas that people can talk about on the internet, but in the real world nobody is going to give up their lives.
Also keep in mind, calling out this stupid point doesn't mean that someone is now magically a Hamas supporter who advocates for terrorism nor does the opposite make someone an Israeli supporter who advocates for war crimes.
I can use the same excuse and say Hamas has no choice but to persecute who oppose them because they fear that the resistance will simply die and Israel will continue it's occupation with nobody stopping them.
Also Israel kicked more charitarians than Hamas ever will . At least 50k of the nekba refugees was Christians .
I don't deny anything Hamas did that is terrible and criminalAll your mental gymnastic won't change the fact , Palestinians has the right to fight and kill idf soldiers that are in Gaza committing a genocide . The only place where idf can die is in gaza or the west bank where Palestinians has the right to armed resistance . So yeah death to the IDF
Israel just allow funds to enter Gaza they didn't fund Hamas it was Qatar who id , it's the same Israel who allow funds to goes to the Palestinians authority. Israel control everything in and out of gaza . The Palestinian authority is the one collaborating with Israel, crushing west bank resistance and do nothing against illegal settlers . So i wonder for you who is the real resistance? Please don't tell me there is none because it never happened in history
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The government has "strongly condemned" chants at Glastonbury Festival from rap punk duo Bob Vylan calling for "death" to the Israeli military and broadcast live on the BBC.
Rapper Bobby Vylan led chants of "free, free Palestine" and "death, death to the IDF [Israel Defense Forces]" during their set, which came just before Belfast rap trio Kneecap.
A BBC spokesperson said some of the comments were "deeply offensive", adding it had issued a warning on screen about "very strong and discriminatory language". The set will not be available to rewatch on BBC iPlayer.
Police said they were reviewing videos of comments made by Bob Vylan and Kneecap to decide whether any offences had been committed.
And we strongly condemn these governments that keep protecting genocidal maniacs
