Temperatures reach 46C in Spain as Europe heatwave continues
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While it is hard to link individual extreme weather events to climate change, heatwaves are becoming more common and more intense due to climate change.
Not that hard after all.
That sentence perfectly states the difficulty though. The trend: easy to link. One individual event: not that easy.
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“It’s hard to link changes in climate to climate change”
Is the author stupid?
No, individual extreme events are not "changes in climate". It's easy to say that the rise in heatwaves is caused by climate change but it's much harder to prove that this specific individual heatwave would never have happened were it not for climate change.
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A heatwave continues to grip large parts of Europe, with authorities in many countries issuing health warnings amid searing temperatures.
Southern Spain is the worst-affected region, with temperatures in the mid-40s Celsius recorded in Seville and neighbouring areas.
A new heat record for June of 46C was set on Saturday in the town of El Granado, according to Spain's national weather service, which also said this month is on track to be the hottest June on record.
Have they considered spending 5% of their GDP on weapons? That will surely save humanity.
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As this keeps happening I continue to wonder when Europe and the UK will finally realize how badly they need to air conditioning. The units are (or were in the past year or 3)b way more expensive there than here in America. I dunno about current costs. It's worth it though, even if you only need it for like 1 month out of the year.
How badly we need AC?
How about “how badly we need to get our shit together to stop human caused climate change”?
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No, individual extreme events are not "changes in climate". It's easy to say that the rise in heatwaves is caused by climate change but it's much harder to prove that this specific individual heatwave would never have happened were it not for climate change.
The average global temperature has been rising steadily with greenhouse gas emissions, for over 50 years, but sure we’ll just ignore that and say it’s impossible to know.
We only have the one planet, sometimes you can’t get multiple data sets. But you can certainly study the things that are happening and make predictions based on that.
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No worries guys this is just a normal summer day climate change isnt real, enjoy the sun
/s in case it isnt clear
The new talking point is that man made climate change is real but burning oil isn't causing the world to warm. But that does mean we can geoengineer our climate to be cooler.
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The average global temperature has been rising steadily with greenhouse gas emissions, for over 50 years, but sure we’ll just ignore that and say it’s impossible to know.
We only have the one planet, sometimes you can’t get multiple data sets. But you can certainly study the things that are happening and make predictions based on that.
No, you're missing the point. We have conclusively "linked changes in climate to climate change" as your comment eloquently put it. That's not really up for debate. But weather systems are extremely complex and extreme events have always occurred. So you can't say that this one specific heatwave is caused only because of this trend.
When it comes to the urgency of doing something about it, that doesn't matter. It's absolutely sufficient to say "this type of event will occur increasingly often" to establish that it is an existential crisis. You don't have to be able to prove anything at all about this one very hot week in order to say that it is probably the single most important issue for us to tackle (along with the politics that prevent us from doing that).
But we don't have the science and statistics to generally link individual events to a trend in isolation, and we shouldn't misrepresent the science that way.
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From a scientific point of view this is correct, the climate system is too complex to say this particular event is due to climate change. Exceptional events happened in the past too. So you can only draw conclusions from larger statistics. What's solid science is the increasing averages, increasing frequencies of extreme events etc. If it was scientifically informed, that's what this kind of sentence mean.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Scientists do actually make attempts to investigate the contribution of the trends to specific events, it's called extreme event attribution, but it is a very young field and the error bars on everything are still huge. That said,
The American Meteorological Society stated in 2016 that "the science has now advanced to the point that we can detect the effects of climate change on some events with high confidence". [12]
But the quote from the article was strictly correct in saying "it's hard".
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A heatwave continues to grip large parts of Europe, with authorities in many countries issuing health warnings amid searing temperatures.
Southern Spain is the worst-affected region, with temperatures in the mid-40s Celsius recorded in Seville and neighbouring areas.
A new heat record for June of 46C was set on Saturday in the town of El Granado, according to Spain's national weather service, which also said this month is on track to be the hottest June on record.
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A heatwave continues to grip large parts of Europe, with authorities in many countries issuing health warnings amid searing temperatures.
Southern Spain is the worst-affected region, with temperatures in the mid-40s Celsius recorded in Seville and neighbouring areas.
A new heat record for June of 46C was set on Saturday in the town of El Granado, according to Spain's national weather service, which also said this month is on track to be the hottest June on record.
Could we build a huge glas dome around a city, with adjustable mirrored / polarised surfaces to block out the heat using electricity to alter the properties of the glass?
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When do we start shoving the people responsible into prisons? The airlines, car, weapon manufacturers,...
Focus on being part of the solution: Go vegan. Then tell your friends and family to go vegan. Tell them to do the same to their friends and family members.
Once we've gotten rid of dairy and meat production, we can toy with the CEO's and prisons.
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I had to convert from Common to Freedom for this one. Are y'all ok over there? I'm used to that kind of heat here in the desert but goodness I couldn't imagine 115f near the coast y'all must be dying
wrote last edited by [email protected]At this temperature, emergency medical departments are guaranteed to be full. Weeks later, an uptick in mortality is registered on stats, without exception.
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Have they considered spending 5% of their GDP on weapons? That will surely save humanity.
There are steps needed to slow global warming and become carbon neutral. Those don't matter much if someone shows up and machine guns your town and loots it.
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From a scientific point of view this is correct, the climate system is too complex to say this particular event is due to climate change. Exceptional events happened in the past too. So you can only draw conclusions from larger statistics. What's solid science is the increasing averages, increasing frequencies of extreme events etc. If it was scientifically informed, that's what this kind of sentence mean.
It started out hotter than it would be and the heatwave is at least a few degrees more severe than it would be otherwise.
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man if only there was a way to link the changing climate to climate change
There's a basic assumption that the climate of an area is fixed. We don't really have a good mechanism for adjusting the climate of an area quickly. But eventually you have to say that the weather hasn't been hotter than normal for a decade, this is just the new normal.
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Are y'all ok over there?
No, not really, with humidity and no aircon anything over the high 90s starts to get pretty unpleasant, especially when it goes on for days and doesn't cool down properly at night, so you can't cool your house down.
Cooling down at night is actually a really big deal, plants and animals both use the chill night to rest from the heat. When the night stays hot then the heat really does a lot more damage to health.
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Could we build a huge glas dome around a city, with adjustable mirrored / polarised surfaces to block out the heat using electricity to alter the properties of the glass?
No, we literally cannot safely build a glass dome that big. I do think large blimps with reflective tops could cool a city a little though.
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Focus on being part of the solution: Go vegan. Then tell your friends and family to go vegan. Tell them to do the same to their friends and family members.
Once we've gotten rid of dairy and meat production, we can toy with the CEO's and prisons.
Aren't airplane flights and cars and just waste in general bigger contributors? I'm all for more people going vegan but I remember a carbon footprint analysis saying some of the worst contributors were planes cars waste and then food. Having a kid was the biggest contributor but that's a bit obvious.
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Focus on being part of the solution: Go vegan. Then tell your friends and family to go vegan. Tell them to do the same to their friends and family members.
Once we've gotten rid of dairy and meat production, we can toy with the CEO's and prisons.
Vegetarian is enough to get most of the benefits for environmental reasons. But it's foolish to wait until that happens, it can't wait.
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Well, that depends on whether the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation stops working or not as that's what, for example, means that Lisbon which is roughly at the same latitude as New York has a temperature which is about 5 - 10C higher.
One of the weirdest effect of Global Warming might very well be that the westernmost parts of Europe get colder (though who knows what other side effects the stopping of the AMOC will bring beyond reducing the temperature moderating effects of the Atlantic along the Westernmost coasts of Europe).
Famine for ocean animals and more hurricanes in the even hotter tropics for starters.
