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I didn't want kids. Shit happened. It took about 18 months for me to feel anything for my kid. Those 18 months were a war against sleep deprivation and time deprivation. The wife left a year or two later. Left my kid with me. Single dad shit for the next, well, going on 25 years now. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. I'm still sick with guilt bringing a kid into this fucked up world, but I love my kid.

This doesn't help you, but I also got a vasectomy about 6 months after he was born. I should have done it earlier. My advice to anyone is, don't have fucking kids. Get a vasectomy ASAP and live your life. Unless you come from big time old money, or get incredibly lucky, kids just add incredible stress and money drain for a minimum of a couple of decades.

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I really want to love this kid and being a dad but at this point it's a job and I hate my job even though I'm killing it in the effort game.

You will love your kid, don't worry about that. Maybe you already do. There is no ah-ha moment, so it's hard to tell. It's not the same feeling as loving a significant other or a parent. It's something else entirely and you've never experienced it before, you probably don't realize you have it. My wife was the same way, took her a bit, but she loves it now.

You are killing it in the effort game. You've done an amazing job so far. Frankly, if what you say is true, you're making most of us look pretty bad, myself included. Be proud. Also get your mom to help. From an evolutionary perspective, that's what grandmas are for, so don't feel bad asking for help.

I never truly wanted to have a kid for a whole list of reasons including climate change, growing instability, feeling like I already don't have time to do the things I want to do, not feeling like I have my shit together (on paper I do, but I don't feel like that), not understanding what it means to be "happy"...stuff like that.

First, you're exactly the type of person who should be having a kid. So many intelligent, good, empathetic, introspective people choose not to have kids because of the reasons you listed, but let's be honest, they're scared little bitches. You're not one of them anymore. You have a living, breathing stake in the future and you have your shit together because you had a kid on purpose. Could your shit be more together? Perhaps. Does it need to be? No. Your shit is good enough. People in worse situations have kids and it works out.

If you and people like you didn't have kids, then the only people having kids would be... bad. It would be bad and we can't have that. So thank you, there will now likely be another good, intelligent, empathetic, and introspective person to take your place someday.

Second, I don't know what it means to be happy either but I don't care. I think that makes me happy in some way. But who knows, all I know is I'm not sad, and that's good enough for me.

Third, you'll be able to do the things you want to do. Things are a bit busy at the moment but as others have said it'll get easier. Your wife will continue to recover (but beware post partium depression) and your kid will get more and more capable. It happens fast.

Lastly, ask yourself why the crying bothers you so much? If it's just the volume, then wear ear protection. That helped me. If it's not the volume, then what is it?

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Dad of a toddler with another on the way (mostly mentioning it because my experience with a newborn is relatively recent in memory). A lot to unpack here. First of all, breathe. It'll be okay.

While it certainly sounds like having a kid wasn't what you wanted and it probably wasn't the right decision, it's the one you made, so the focus now should be on how best to help you, your wife, and your child.

The good news is the absolute hardest part of raising a kid, especially your first, is the newborn stage. It gets a little bit easier with every week that passes. Sleep deprivation is a bitch and frankly, I wouldn't put too much stock in your emotions because in all likelihood, they are probably pretty out of wack right now. I remember inexplicably sobbing at 3 in the morning (while trying to get my son back to sleep) because I was so tired. It made no sense, but I was just exhausted.

As for the crying, it may not help you, but I find it helpful to recognize a baby crying for what it actually is: a communication tool. In fact, it's the one of the only communication tools a newborn has. When they cry, they are doing their job and telling you they have a need that needs to be met. So instead of getting irritated when they cry, you basically just run through a checklist of possible things they need, and try them out until you figure out what it is they needed. Fortunately the list of things they need at this stage are pretty simple: it's almost always food, sleep, or possibly a diaper (my son did not care one bit about dirty diapers though, heh). Sometimes it also might be something else like overstimulation. But it's never really inexplicable and you can learn their specific cues to more quickly narrow down what they need. You can also often prevent crying by paying attention to their non-verbal communication before they start crying: e.g, a baby will do things like rooting or sticking out their tongue when they are hungry well before they start crying for food, or get pinkness around their eyes when they are tired.

You absolutely should first and foremost try to get whatever help you can get from family and friends, if you can. It helps immensely to have a support system to lean on, even if it's something as simple as helping with cleaning or just giving you guys a break (especially important to make time for each other, too).

As for bonding, this is going to sound a bit odd, but it's really worth trying. Something they teach you in childbirth classes is that spending extended amounts of time doing skin to skin contact with your baby (so shirt off for you, diaper only for the baby) is really valuable for bonding (even for dads), and from personal experience I can say this is true. I did it a number of times in my son's first few weeks and it definitely made a difference. It's basically a chemical effect on you and your baby's brain chemistry and it is pretty powerful. It's also the same for mothers and babies and it's why hospitals will have mother and baby do immediate skin contact as soon as they are born. I think it really helps you appreciate what it is that you have now.

The other thing is that your relationship with your kid is something that grows with time, especially as they get older and more interactive. It takes a few months for them to start smiling and laughing at you, and honestly once they do (and you can make them laugh), it's a game changer. It's so much fun, and just gets more fun as they get older.

As for your wife, you may already know this, but she's likely experiencing post-partum depression. What she's feeling are real feelings, but likely not based on anything rational. Human brains are just weird little things. Massive hormonal changes really fucks with brain chemistry and makes a lot of new moms have really uncharacteristic mood and behavior. Her system has been flooded with all sorts of shit for the last 9 months and giving birth is where it all comes crashing down. It's not uncommon to prescribe anti-depressants temporarily to help new moms until things start to balance out again. Also, she should really get off TikTok/Instagram. That shit is toxic as fuck and WILL make you unhappy.

And, if it helps: there's so much garbage information out there for new parents and it's really fucking hard to figure out what's good advice or not. Here's the real deal about breastfeeding: it is by no means a requirement. Not even close. Yes, it has some benefits if you can do it, and it's worth trying. But it is massively, and I mean MASSIVELY overblown on the internet. Pumping is perfectly fine, and many mothers do it exclusively (my sister-in-law mostly did, in fact). Formula is also perfectly fine. And a baby falling asleep while eating is REALLY FUCKING NORMAL, especially after they are just born! That being said, it can be helpful to try to start a pattern of offering food as soon as they wake up, if you aren't already, since they'll be most alert then and more likely to get more milk that way.

Part of being a new parent is learning to tune all that stupid shit out and make decisions for your baby based solely on what your pediatrician says and your own judgement. Even your own parents' advice should be taken with a huge grain of salt, both because their experience is very out of date (AAP recommendations have changed a lot over the years) and they can't remember what it was actually like very well. It's something I wish I could go back and tell our past selves.

And props to her on the milk supply, that's no easy feat. Guard it well and try not to waste any of it, because overproduction is typically only temporary until her body adjusts to your baby's actual needs. Always try to restock what you use as much as possible. Oh, and keep an eye out for mastitis (clogged milk ducts that get infected). It's super easy to get in the initial period of overproduction, because the breasts are frequently fuller than the baby actually needs, and prolonged full breasts can clog easily. Mastitis can easily burn through your supply (it can make it so the baby can't easily get milk, and it takes time to clear up with antibiotics).

Anyway, hang in there. Newborns are the hardest and it does get a lot easier and more fun/rewarding.

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Like everyone else has already said, perfectly normal for a Dad this early in the game and sadly for a Mum too. You will likely only see them as a crying poop machine at this age, sapping your life force away.

I guarantee that will change. How strongly and what to, I can't say but it will. Took me just over a year. Once they started walking, smiling, saying my name and then I really got into when I started taking days off to take them into town or to a park. Just seeing the smile and excitement on their face and hearing them saying thank you, the hardship was worth it!

Some advice though - I would be open with your wife. It's easy to try and suck it up and do everything to support her because she has had a baby and is struggling to, right? Sure, but it is a team effort. Have a chat about whether there is a happier medium that makes dealing with the hardships more equal. For example, we took it in 3 hour shifts at night to see to the babybfor a long time so the other could get some interrupted sleep.

Parenthood, especially early on, is a trial! It will be that way until they become and adult and move out. The trial changes everyday. If it isn't poop, it's mood swings as they get older or tantrums.

All I can say is, as they get older, go out of your way to make time for you and them to bond and just maybe it all feels worth it. It has for me, wouldn't have it any other way.

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I feel bad about saying this, and this is more for other people, but don't let other people's expectations push you into having kids. If your partner wanted five kids and you didn't even know if you wanted one, you were incompatible and you should have ended things once you discussed this like responsible adults. Instead you brought someone else into the world who may suffer just so you could try it out.

I'm not saying this to say you're a bad person. Honestly, this wouldn't happen to a bad person probably. You're a good person who let expectations push you into a position you didn't belong.

As others say, you may end up bonding with them later, and that will be great. They won't be a baby forever, and also you're really tired and probably grumpy right now. That's all fair. I hope for your kid that things work out, but for anyone else reading this, if you don't agree on children with your partner, it's time to find someone else. That's a fundamental thing that needs to be the same. It's like if you want to be monogamous but your partner doesn't. That's just not going to work. There are some things that you just need to share or break up. It doesn't make you bad for doing so. Also, yes, it'll hurt and suck, but it's the responsible thing to do.

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Newborns are not even sentient enough to be persons. Humans are born prematurely, because our heads are so big we can’t be born fully developed, like most mammals, without risking the mother’s life. Their brains are not there yet.

Newborns are undercooked persons.

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Hey!

I saw your post on my mobile yesterday and it struck a chord. I saved the link so I could go home and type on my laptop and give my reply the time it deserves. I know I'm replying quite late, but I hope my perspective helps anyway.

First off, everything you're feeling is understandable. I don't know if I'd say it's "normal", but I empathize with everything you've written. I have a 2-year old daughter, and it's not been easy. But my most important takeaway from your post is that you're trying. You're doing everything you can to support your wife and kid, and that alone puts you in the "good dad" category.

Look, it's not going to be easy. Your 3-week old is essentially a lump in human form. All he knows to do at the moment is drink, sleep, and poop/pee. He doesn't recognize you, he doesn't love you, he doesn't reciprocate anything you do, and he doesn't acknowledge you except when you're feeing him. He can barely even see you (kids that age have eyes that haven't learnt to focus yet). And that's how it's going to be for the foreseeable future. Having a kid this age is mostly a chore (or a job, like you described). Try to think of it as an investment for the future. All the hard work you're doing now pays off in the future when you have a healthy, happy child who loves you and knows how to show it.

But for now, it's going to suck. Your wife is probably going to go through post-partum depression, she's going to have mental crises about being a terrible mother about something or the other. I don't know if it's because of hormone imbalance, stress, lack of sleep, and/or a combination of all these. You're the one who's going to have to be there for her at those times. Your baby will (hopefully not) develop colic, or there will come a day when he cries for no reason and nothing you do will stop him and you'll start thinking about taking him to the doctor/ER and in your desperation, you'll hold him in a new hold and he'll suddenly quieten down because he loves being held like that. Some days are going to be a rollercoaster of activity, frustration, joy, etc.

And as for love ... in the last 2 years, there hasn't been a single moment that's hit me like "I NOW LOVE MY KID AND WOULD DO ANYTHING FOR HER." I mean, I would die/kill for her, but that's just family.

BUT -- there have been moments. Like one time she half-woke from a nap, saw my face, broke into a smile, and went back to sleep. One other time when she was very young and she ran into my arms. One time she absolutely insisted that only dad would help her put her shoes on and not mom. These are small wins that build. The more interactive they get, the more your relationship with them grows, the more in love you'll be. It'll take time. I'm not there yet, even with my 2-year-old, but I know I'll get there. I know I love her, even if I don't "feel" it yet.

In the meantime, sorry ... tough it out.

The only other advice I can give you is to ask for help. If your mom or some other family member can come help you and your wife out, it gets a little easier. Even if it's only for a weekend or a week at a time. Just having someone else at home who can change a diaper, or even just watch the kid while you take a nap or play a videogame for some time, will help.

All the best, you got this, don't sell yourself short.

EDITED TO ADD:

Newborns fall asleep very quickly, even in the middle of a feeding session. We used to tickle the bottom of our baby's feet to keep her awake during feeding times, both at the breast and with the bottle.

Also, try to find someone you can talk to about the stress you're feeling (if you can't do it with your wife). Your mom or a best friend, or just internet strangers. Hopefully it'll help you through the toughest times.

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Maybe the way you feel has about this is because there are countless options for places to leave this advice for other people but you decided to put it in a thread where OP is obviously struggling and already past the point where the advice would apply? Dude is in serious need of some urgent empathy and he gets this this tut-tuting combined with making an example of him for the class or something.

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OP, you're a good dad and husband. Keep trying and stay strong. I don't know if I could do what you are doing, and I don't have any advice to give, but just know I'm rooting for you over here. Nothing stays the same forever - one thing I do hear from people is that you blink and the kid is grown and you wonder where all the time went. I can't say for sure if that will happen, but this lifestyle change is temporary, at the very least, and you'll be feeling more normal as time goes on. Maybe once your son is more grown, there will be an opportunity to bond with him on a level you can't reach while he's an infant? Anyway, good luck!

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I 100% agree with you, and just wanted to add something I learned recently: when dads are spending a lot of time with the baby, they can also develop post-partum depression. So my advice to OP would be to also try to find support in form of therapy if possible.

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Great point!

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It's not so much of a dad-vs-mom thing, tbh.

For me it was super easy to connect to our kids especially when they were tiny. I loved carrying them around all the time, the cuddling, them being as cute as they are. My wife really hated being touched all the time and she couldn't connect with them at all in the beginning, especially with our second one.

I started having more and more trouble with the kids when they got old enough to have a mind of their own, especially with our first kid who was and is much more than just a handful. My wife gets along much better with the kids once they are able to talk and able to take more care of themselves.

Some people just connect with the small ones better, some can handle them better when they get bigger. Some then start having issues with them in puberty, while some really manage to connect at that time. It's not a gender thing at all.

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Thank you for that perspective, it is comforting to hear.

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Just ran across this, and thought back to your post.

https://youtube.com/shorts/tEcQSnd-3DY

This is why dad's often don't bond properly until around 6 months (when the baby can properly play).

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Summary: Newfound evidence indicates that conscious experiences start as early as in late pregnancy. The study suggests that an infant’s brain is capable of forming conscious experiences that shape their emergent self and environmental understanding.

I agree that being capable of having experiences is a requirement for being a person, but it is not what defines a person, otherwise pet turtles would be persons.

Newborns are humans, and they develop into persons given time.

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