Microsoft's many Outlooks are confusing users and employees
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"new" outlooks has less features than the old one. And its even harder to find things in settings (they removed a bunch of stuff). I dont look forward to this being on work devices...
don't forget that it uploads your non-microsoft email accounts' passwords to microsoft so that they can steal your mails to their systems
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As someone that maintains Outlook users, I can’t wait. Dumping decades of garbage code is a godsend.
Most businesses will be fine. The edge case scenarios will bitch and moan but will get over it by the following fiscal quarter.
New outlook will be easier than ever to upgrade. Code security will be better than ever before. Also no more unique software for non-Windows OS’s. OSX and Linux support will be a good feature that’s missing today.
whatever about code security, when user security goes out of the window in its entirety
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I got a new job, fully remote, and we use Teams. Not gonna lie, I don’t get the hate. It seems as exactly adequate as WebEx or Zoom. None of them make me cum, none of them make me upset.
What is it about Teams that people hate so much? How does WebEx or Zoom do it any better?
Fully onboard with hating new Outlook though, fuck it sucks. Can’t even browse the global address list, it’s search only.
For me, it has nothing to do with how good or bad the actual application is, it's the terms of service that go along with it. Basically microsoft hoovers up every morsel of data you put into their system, including your voice and face. I liken it to giving all your personal data to someone (including your voice and face), they put in a pretty looking safe on the side of the street and then they sell the keys to it.
Ignoring the fact that the data could be stolen from one of the many third parties it partners with, microsoft could (will) also give the data to the government which will then be used as evidence to deport or jail you or people you know for speaking out against the American regime or acted against Gods will and had an abortion. Or maybe someone in DC makes up some bullshit law targeting some arbitrary demographic which includes you, they request data from microsoft which is promptly provided; you get arrested and sent to jail or deported.
Data privacy is important, especially when the government is corrupt and insane. It's prudent to protect ourselves and the people we know.
Haven't needed to use it myself, but here's an open source alternative I've heard a lot about:
Not sure it'll help with your work though.
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That's Electron baby!
Several years ago I inadvertently (because I didn’t realize who they were) got in a twitter argument with someone who I seem to recall as the creator of electron about how it was fucking embarrassing how bad electron apps are. At the time I kinda felt bad because he seemed like a decent guy and I let loose but I wonder what the carbon footprint of his little side project is…
I don’t know who at Microsoft had such a hard-on for electron back then, but it seems to have spread and it’s still nowhere close to the good old windows GUI for resource usage.
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I got a new job, fully remote, and we use Teams. Not gonna lie, I don’t get the hate. It seems as exactly adequate as WebEx or Zoom. None of them make me cum, none of them make me upset.
What is it about Teams that people hate so much? How does WebEx or Zoom do it any better?
Fully onboard with hating new Outlook though, fuck it sucks. Can’t even browse the global address list, it’s search only.
Teams has been successful in detecting my headphones and mics 20% of the time. So, my alternative is to go on my phone and also my laptop (but mute myself) so I can share my screen during meetings. Windows detects my headphones and mics just fine in other applications, like Zoom or Discord. It's a pain in the ass.
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ahh member skype?
You member! You saw me! You membe!
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It’s a necessity. It’s too different. It won’t ever have feature parity, and you need to give companies time to adapt their edge case uses.
They did the same thing with Teams and did worse with OneNote.
They did themselves a favor and killed off the Mail app ahead of time at least.
I think calling one “new” and the other “classic” is easy enough. The only alternative is to use a different name entirely.
Ugh, I used the "Mail" app exactly once, in 2017. That should tell you all you need to know
They could just not release the "new" Outlook until it's more feature complete...
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I got a new job, fully remote, and we use Teams. Not gonna lie, I don’t get the hate. It seems as exactly adequate as WebEx or Zoom. None of them make me cum, none of them make me upset.
What is it about Teams that people hate so much? How does WebEx or Zoom do it any better?
Fully onboard with hating new Outlook though, fuck it sucks. Can’t even browse the global address list, it’s search only.
Not gonna lie, I don’t get the hate.
TEAMs was terrible going into the pandemic but it's steadily gotten better, especially over the past 18 months. Reading down the comment chain though I'm in awe at the amount of problems that people are apparently still having with it!
TEAMs via app or browser on my Windows 10 box at work? Fine.
TEAMs via app or browser on my Windows 11 Surface? Fine.
TEAMs via app or browser on my wheezy HP laptop with Windows 11? Fine.
TEAMs via browser (Firefox even!) on all three of my Linux systems? Also completely fine!Hell I've got Creative T-60 USB-C speakers, a logi webcam, and Turtle Beach headphones hooked to a USB sharing KVM for two of those linux boxes and it still just works.
I must be the luckiest dumb-ass alive when it comes to MS TEAMs because at least for the last two years it just works.
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They have managed to fuck up something as simple as right clicking. There are no words.
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They have managed to fuck up something as simple as right clicking. There are no words.
Dude they fucked up Ctrl+S and Alt+F in paintbrush and it still fucks with my workflows.
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Sometimes I think about the billions of dollars of wasted productivity caused by Outlook being so bad at rendering email.
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OUTLOOK NOT SO GOOD
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I’ve also had no issues with Teams and haven’t had coworkers with issues in probably five years. I prefer it significantly over Slack, and my first job was using IBM/Lotus Notes before they switched to teams, that was a clunky nightmare.
You aren’t the only one who doesn’t get the Slack love. I HATE their design philosophy. It has threads. That’s all it’s got going for i in my opinion. The rest of it is confusing and a pain to use.
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OUTLOOK NOT SO GOOD
Ask again later?
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It uses a fucking inordinate amount of resources to accomplish its task, mostly.
Comparing the amount of noise my laptop's CPU fans make between the two of them when doing moderately intensive tasks like screen sharing a 4K display, Zoom is measurably worse.
Possibly the one time that Microsoft's inexplicable inability to make their own software run well on their own OS has somehow not manifested.
Don't get me wrong, it is still death-by-a-thousand-cuts terrible, but the most current iteration of Teams is not the worst in its field... at this one specific thing.
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Yeah I feel this. Outlook pisses me off. So does Microsoft in general.
What pisses me off more is HP.
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Several years ago I inadvertently (because I didn’t realize who they were) got in a twitter argument with someone who I seem to recall as the creator of electron about how it was fucking embarrassing how bad electron apps are. At the time I kinda felt bad because he seemed like a decent guy and I let loose but I wonder what the carbon footprint of his little side project is…
I don’t know who at Microsoft had such a hard-on for electron back then, but it seems to have spread and it’s still nowhere close to the good old windows GUI for resource usage.
I could see the benefit if they wanted it to work on other systems, but I doubt that's why they chose it. Someone up high just saw it as the cool new thing and forced it onto projects, even when it didn't make sense.
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I cant stand anything microsoft anymore. Teams, outlook, word, every iteration just makes me more angry.
the only thing i haven't found a viable replacement for is onenote.
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Welcome to journalism in 202x
"one reddit user said..."
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Why are Microsoft employees so fucking stupid?
8 thousand executives making product decisions from the top down and trying to cram every facet of the business into every other product.
