Anti-Leninists, what is something you'd like to tell tankies that we actually never heard?
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Racist, imperial cop, rapist, worker hating, Eric Blair? That guy?
I know he started as a communist/socialist but began to change his mind over time.
His books changed their political leanings over time; for my interpretation at least.
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Maybe anarchists are necessary to help keep the revolutionary state honest. However, I don't know if I'd go so far as to call myself an anti-Leninist.
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Maybe anarchists are necessary to help keep the revolutionary state honest. However, I don't know if I'd go so far as to call myself an anti-Leninist.
Honestly, I find there's a lot of overlap between Marxism and Anarcho-syndicalism, and I think this is essentially the correct way for the workforce to be organized.
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"The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Isn't always true. Just because a country/political faction opposes US hegemony doesn't automatically make them morally superior.
That's not what MLs actually believe, we have the concept of critical support. It's the act of backing a cause, group, or individual while maintaining a clear-eyed critique of their flaws, contradictions, or harmful actions. Itβs not unconditional endorsement but a pragmatic stance that balances solidarity with accountability.
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Tankie is a broad term. Are u just an idealist commie or do u legitimately support genocidal regimes?
I would like you to look into the commonalities in teaching methods between your beliefs/community, religion, neo Nazis, and ideological indoctrination in general. Look at the classic applications such as redefining meanings of words, the complete denial of descenting opinions simply because they are descenting, the belief in something greater than oneself etc etc.
I would like you to write down your most fundamental beliefs then right down your best argument for those beliefs then I want you to write you best argument to disprove that belief.
I would like you to come up with as many contradictions within your own ideology as possible without rationalising that contradictory belief to yourself.
I'd like u to read nineteen eighty four and then write an argument how the practice's of big brother have been used to indoctrinate you. Then right an argument against that argument.
I'm not here to tell you how to live or what to think I'd just like you to legitimately challenge your own thoughts to the best of your ability.
Good luck on your journey to becoming a free thinker.
Meh if you want a good critique of the Bolsheviks by somebody who actually was an old Bolshevik check out the book We instead.
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Honestly, I find there's a lot of overlap between Marxism and Anarcho-syndicalism, and I think this is essentially the correct way for the workforce to be organized.
For a while, that's probably how I would have sorted myself, but how are the anarcho-syndicalists on taking power from capital and wielding it? How does that differ from Lenin's guidance? (Part of why I don't call myself an anti-Leninist is that I haven't read any Lenin lol.)
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For a while, that's probably how I would have sorted myself, but how are the anarcho-syndicalists on taking power from capital and wielding it? How does that differ from Lenin's guidance? (Part of why I don't call myself an anti-Leninist is that I haven't read any Lenin lol.)
As far I'm aware, Anarcho-syndicalists don't really provide a solution for changing the system as a whole. Meanwhile, Lenin focused specifically on achieving a socialist revolution. Lenin primarily dealt with the task of organizing and education the masses to create a revolutionary force that would be able to seize power from the capitalists. The two most prominent works I'd recommend starting with would be What Is To be Done? and The State and Revolution.
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"The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Isn't always true. Just because a country/political faction opposes US hegemony doesn't automatically make them morally superior.
Even tho we don't care about it, the US holds no moral high ground on any country.
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Lennin's "state and revolution" and accepting China as a communist country are in conflict with each other. Most tankies or "Marxist-Lenninist" are distorting both Marx and Lennin. Communism in one country can not exists for long without a global overthrow of the capitalist class. Yes, the state in these various countries control the economy more or less, but who controls the state? My assertion, and most other Trotskyists, is that its not the workers.
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Lennin's "state and revolution" and accepting China as a communist country are in conflict with each other. Most tankies or "Marxist-Lenninist" are distorting both Marx and Lennin. Communism in one country can not exists for long without a global overthrow of the capitalist class. Yes, the state in these various countries control the economy more or less, but who controls the state? My assertion, and most other Trotskyists, is that its not the workers.
China adds 7.2% to military budget: CHUYNA IMPERIALISM
America tells its allies to double already overblown military budget: DEMOCRACY IS NONNEGOTIABLE
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Lennin's "state and revolution" and accepting China as a communist country are in conflict with each other. Most tankies or "Marxist-Lenninist" are distorting both Marx and Lennin. Communism in one country can not exists for long without a global overthrow of the capitalist class. Yes, the state in these various countries control the economy more or less, but who controls the state? My assertion, and most other Trotskyists, is that its not the workers.
We addressed this point on Prolewiki: https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/People's_Republic_of_China#Abandoning_of_Marxism/Capitalist_restoration
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Maybe anarchists are necessary to help keep the revolutionary state honest. However, I don't know if I'd go so far as to call myself an anti-Leninist.
When have the anarchists accomplished anything?
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When have the anarchists accomplished anything?
Paid holidays, 8 hour shifts, women's ability to vote, same-sex marriages and LGTBIQ+ rights in general... Those are ideals and achievements that started in anarchism.
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Talkies don't have a solution for what to do when you and your homies are marching in a compact group along a precipitous and difficult path, firmly holding each other by the hand, and one friend won't shut up about how everybody should go into the marsh.
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Paid holidays, 8 hour shifts, women's ability to vote, same-sex marriages and LGTBIQ+ rights in general... Those are ideals and achievements that started in anarchism.
you gotta be delusional if you think those things were accomplished by anarchists lmao
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When have the anarchists accomplished anything?
Every day; all sorts of stuff from simply feeding people to high level assassinations, including a POTUS. Anarchism is a means by which the people can embarrass the government and compel corrective action to its deficiencies.
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Even tho we don't care about it, the US holds no moral high ground on any country.
Oh yeah of course, the US is an imperialist, neocolonialist power that does a tremendous amount of harm in the world.
I'm an anarchist, so you won't find me singing the praises of any state power, for sure not the US. They do what all states do, consolidate centralized power and dominate as many people as they can.
My point was that some folks act like anything that opposes the interests of the US is automatically good, and that's not true, ISIS opposes the US, but they're a pretty fucked up group of religious extremists, same with the Westboro Baptist Church hate group, who also oppose the US strongly, but are total scumbags.
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We addressed this point on Prolewiki: https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/People's_Republic_of_China#Abandoning_of_Marxism/Capitalist_restoration
A special kind of democracy where the leaders aren't elected huh? You have simultaneously redefined the word democracy and practiced doublethink
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"The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Isn't always true. Just because a country/political faction opposes US hegemony doesn't automatically make them morally superior.
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