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  • gradually_adjusting@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

    If Russia gets ambiguously belligerent with a small NATO ally (someplace like Lithuania) and everyone's suddenly saying "we have to go to war over THAT?" and American corporate media starts framing the use of article 5 as escalatory, that's your cue that phase 1 is complete.

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    Danzig or war situation.

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      I hope Putin dies before that. And in such a personal regime his dead and the consequent fight for power could lead to big changes in Russia.

      So let's hope Zelensky was right, and it's sooner than later.

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        Wouldn’t Russia have to suddenly produce a lot more young men who are still alive to invade any more countries?

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        • richardisaguy@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

          Trump might be an idiot, but he is not so much of an idiot to take on the entirety of Europe, who, likely when this happens will have new allies besides the US

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          Trump might be an idiot, but he is not so much of an idiot

          I'm gonna stop you right there. Every time we underestimate Trump he shows there is no low and/or stupidity he won't sink to. He's credibly accused of being a Russian asset and has done everything Putin could have possibly wanted in terms of weakening western power and alliances. In like3 months. Do I think he'll attack the UK or something? No. But he may very well do everything possible to help Russia, including giving them weapons and hurting their enemies...

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            I hope Putin dies before that. And in such a personal regime his dead and the consequent fight for power could lead to big changes in Russia.

            So let's hope Zelensky was right, and it's sooner than later.

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            His replacement is going to have to do something big to legitimize their rule

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              where are we? the war thunder forums?

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              Nothing spills military secrets like having to be right on the internet!

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                Wouldn’t Russia have to suddenly produce a lot more young men who are still alive to invade any more countries?

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                Why produce when you can kidnap and pressgang from Ukraine?

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                  Kremlin believed that Ukraine was a country that would fall to their knees, bend over and happily join them.

                  Now they are taking their time and bomb civilians to force them to do that.

                  They are taking their time. This is not an inability. This is deliberate breaking of Ukraine's back.

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                  Thank you for reminding me to block lemm.ee with your sad propaganda

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                    America is going to be balls deep in greenland and europe will not go to war over THAT.

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                    If the EU won't consider themselves to be at war when the part of the EU defensive pact zone that is called Greenland is invaded, they're losing all credibility both internally and externally. Why would the EU defend Finland or the Baltics or Cyprus? Why would the EU organize against foreign powers funding violent rebellions inside EU territory (similar to how Russia funded Transnistria or the US funded the contras in Nicaragua)?

                    There is no better red line for France to launch their nukes than the invasion of Greenland. As seen with Russia, any grace given to cult of personality dictators only emboldens them and their worshipers. The only fair response to madman theory is to call the 'insane' administration's bluff and let the people who don't want them and their families to become radioactive piles of ash take the responsibility of defying insane orders.

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                      Wouldn’t Russia have to suddenly produce a lot more young men who are still alive to invade any more countries?

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                      Men who are still alive

                      Oh no... Putin found Dunharrow. Being alive isn't needed.

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                      • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.worksC [email protected]

                        If we keep it conventional, we could bring about a new dark age. It would have to go nuclear before we start wondering if the deep sea tube worms will survive. We can definitely end humanity unilaterally, we might need Russia's help to boil the oceans.

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                        Nuclear war would actually cool the oceans. All nuclear bombs combined contain about the same energy as Hurricane Katrina or a small supervolcano eruption. There would be a small fraction of a degree of temporary increase in global atmospheric temperatures, quickly overwhelmed by the nuclear winter as ash and dust in the upper atmosphere reduce global temperatures by several degrees for several years.

                        The only way I see humanity boiling the oceans is by deliberately releasing global-industrial quantities of super-effective greenhouse gases, actively designed to make the Earth as well-insulated as possible.

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                          Thank you for reminding me to block lemm.ee with your sad propaganda

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                          Interesting. Why block the whole instance? Have you seen a lot of lemm.ee users parroting propaganda? I didn't realize that instance was so bad.

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                            Interesting. Why block the whole instance? Have you seen a lot of lemm.ee users parroting propaganda? I didn't realize that instance was so bad.

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                            Over the months the amount of shit from that instance has convinced me they have zero value or worth, among others

                            I mean, ymmv, for all I know their ideals may resonate with you, but for me I am more than convinced it is a proper choice.

                            On reddit, 2/3rds of the time I spent there in the last few years has been blocking people to curate my engagement

                            Lemmy makes it so easy, I don't have to do it one at a time now.

                            So my procedure is thus: after the 5 rancid comments in a day from users of any given instance, I go and browse the instance. If I keep finding unchallenged rancid replies, then fuck that instance. Lemm.ee has been on my radar for a while now

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                              Wouldn’t Russia have to suddenly produce a lot more young men who are still alive to invade any more countries?

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                              If only they had an asset in the US who could provide those.

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                                Thank you for reminding me to block lemm.ee with your sad propaganda

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                                How is this propaganda?

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                                • P [email protected]

                                  But it only takes one to ruin a weekend.

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                                  I don't think at that point my weekend is ruined. It's more like it has ceased to exist. Or matter.

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                                    Wouldn’t Russia have to suddenly produce a lot more young men who are still alive to invade any more countries?

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                                    No, it'd have to ensure France. Which means if they struck France could nuke Moscow. If. Anyone in Russia gave a shit, they'd slaughter Putin family now.

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                                      Maybe. There's no guarantee that every European nation would be on board with sanctioning the US in this scenario.

                                      The Netherlands (where I believe they have the only manufacturing base of the machines that make advanced chips) might decide that it's not in their best interest to cut the US off.

                                      Anyways I hope this Greenland shenanigans dies on the vine and my silly scenario never comes to pass.

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                                      Yes ASML is only in netherlands. Nothing else on earth produces EUV lithography machines of that scale. It's a single monopoly

                                      Also netherlands & Hungary definitely won't sanction usa, they love trump

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                                      • richardisaguy@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                                        They barely could handle a war with small Ukraine, a full scale war with NATO is a no-go; and I'm quite certain Putin won't live that long

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                                        Presidents have access to the best medical resources, and Putin seems to be in fine shape. He could live 10 more years. I'm saying that in the hope of a pleasant surprise.

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                                          Based on intel from my MI buddies, most of Putin's nukes are probably nonfunctional. They tried to test one not long ago and it blew up, taking out the entire launch facility.

                                          Russia's nukes are more or less a bluff.

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                                          So you want to play nuclear poker ? You're a mad-man

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