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Temperatures reach 46C in Spain as Europe heatwave continues

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    As this keeps happening I continue to wonder when Europe and the UK will finally realize how badly they need to air conditioning. The units are (or were in the past year or 3)b way more expensive there than here in America. I dunno about current costs. It's worth it though, even if you only need it for like 1 month out of the year.

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    They are trying to push people to heat pumps (basically air conditioners tech wise)

    They are also moving towards building/efficiency regs that require completely sealed houses and forced air systems in new builds.

    So new houses will effectively be required/encouraged to have an air con capable houses.

    The old housing stock though? Oof. I'm on a private estate that even bans that kind of stuff!

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      I wonder what's the cost for them to install one. I got mine installed and it cost around €350(rm1600 in my currency), everything included, for a japanese brand(Daikin). shouldn't be too horribly expensive for european country, especially when people started to adopt it.

      Edit: but honestly, i wonder how well aircond would work in 40°c+ temperature, it relies on pumping heat away from the room, and if outside is so hot it wouldn't able to effectively cool the refrigerant. Still better than nothing.

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      Air conditioning works just like a refrigerator in that the cooling is accomplished by the compression and decompression of gas. The outside temperature has no effect on the ability of the unit to cool the inside space. Air conditioning just vents to outside, it doesnt use outside air. The same is true for a window unit as it is for a central system

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        In France the government is helping people get Aircon by subsidising heatpumps, also way more carbon efficient than Gaz or fioul based central heating.

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        It depends on the kind of heatpumps, in a lot of cases the heatpump is installed to replace a boiler, reusing the radiators and hot water circulation already available.

        Unfortunately in this case the heatpump cannot be used as AC.

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          Was just talking with my friend from Latvia who said it has been the coldest end of June since forever. Climate is so fucked and its just the beginning.

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          Here in Finland we just might hit +20C this week. Maybe a bit over that in the south. Maybe not coldest since forever, but definetly colder than last couple of summers so far.

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            A heatwave continues to grip large parts of Europe, with authorities in many countries issuing health warnings amid searing temperatures.

            Southern Spain is the worst-affected region, with temperatures in the mid-40s Celsius recorded in Seville and neighbouring areas.

            A new heat record for June of 46C was set on Saturday in the town of El Granado, according to Spain's national weather service, which also said this month is on track to be the hottest June on record.

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            Across the Mediterranean to the south and east it is even hotter. Wearing shorts and putting on sunblock isn't the best way to deal with the heat, you need to shield yourself and make use of the chimney effect.

            The Bedouin lesson: A scientific study proves robes are the best garment to wear in the desert heat

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            • toastedravioli@midwest.socialT [email protected]

              Air conditioning works just like a refrigerator in that the cooling is accomplished by the compression and decompression of gas. The outside temperature has no effect on the ability of the unit to cool the inside space. Air conditioning just vents to outside, it doesnt use outside air. The same is true for a window unit as it is for a central system

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              to a point. It still relies on radiating the heat produced at the compression stage outside to the outside air. Due to how thermodynamics work this becomes less efficient or even impossible once the outside air approaches the same temperature as the compressed gas. Once the gas can't cool down after the compressing step the ac starts to lose effectiveness fast

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              • E [email protected]

                As this keeps happening I continue to wonder when Europe and the UK will finally realize how badly they need to air conditioning. The units are (or were in the past year or 3)b way more expensive there than here in America. I dunno about current costs. It's worth it though, even if you only need it for like 1 month out of the year.

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                My living room is around 36 square meters and the cheapest AC unit for that area was 650 - 850 euros. You also have to pay a certified company to install it, which cost another 200 - 300 euros.

                The median salary is like 900 euros, which makes it out of reach for a large portion of the population.

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                • E [email protected]

                  As this keeps happening I continue to wonder when Europe and the UK will finally realize how badly they need to air conditioning. The units are (or were in the past year or 3)b way more expensive there than here in America. I dunno about current costs. It's worth it though, even if you only need it for like 1 month out of the year.

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                  For new buildings that is already case. For older buildings there is limits to how well you can retrofit them with new heating/cooling/insulation systems. Lots of building are messed up, because changes to insulation and heating/cooling lead to humidity and mold or worse mushrooms.

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                    A heatwave continues to grip large parts of Europe, with authorities in many countries issuing health warnings amid searing temperatures.

                    Southern Spain is the worst-affected region, with temperatures in the mid-40s Celsius recorded in Seville and neighbouring areas.

                    A new heat record for June of 46C was set on Saturday in the town of El Granado, according to Spain's national weather service, which also said this month is on track to be the hottest June on record.

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                    The last years saw up to 50°C in Northern Africa already. This will be the fate of Southern Europe, as the peak temperatures in the center and North of Europe will go to 45°C.

                    As the mean temperature rises roughly linear, so do the peak temperatures, but at a much faster rate. So 1,5-2°C increase in mean temperature often correspond to 5-7°C increase in peak temperatures.

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                      Across the Mediterranean to the south and east it is even hotter. Wearing shorts and putting on sunblock isn't the best way to deal with the heat, you need to shield yourself and make use of the chimney effect.

                      The Bedouin lesson: A scientific study proves robes are the best garment to wear in the desert heat

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                      I prefer using the Boyle Law effect.

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                        No worries guys this is just a normal summer day climate change isnt real, enjoy the sun

                        /s in case it isnt clear

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                        There is still snow somewhere on earth, everything is fine!

                        - a politician somewhere

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                        • pathief@lemmy.worldP [email protected]

                          My living room is around 36 square meters and the cheapest AC unit for that area was 650 - 850 euros. You also have to pay a certified company to install it, which cost another 200 - 300 euros.

                          The median salary is like 900 euros, which makes it out of reach for a large portion of the population.

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                          Is the median living room 36 square meters? Seems unfair to compare median salary with a rather big house/apartment.

                          Growing up our dining/living room was 24m2 and I could be cooled with a 200 euro portable AC.

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                            A heatwave continues to grip large parts of Europe, with authorities in many countries issuing health warnings amid searing temperatures.

                            Southern Spain is the worst-affected region, with temperatures in the mid-40s Celsius recorded in Seville and neighbouring areas.

                            A new heat record for June of 46C was set on Saturday in the town of El Granado, according to Spain's national weather service, which also said this month is on track to be the hottest June on record.

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                            When do we start shoving the people responsible into prisons? The airlines, car, weapon manufacturers,...

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                              Across the Mediterranean to the south and east it is even hotter. Wearing shorts and putting on sunblock isn't the best way to deal with the heat, you need to shield yourself and make use of the chimney effect.

                              The Bedouin lesson: A scientific study proves robes are the best garment to wear in the desert heat

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                              The best way to deal with the heat would be physical retaliation against those because of whom we are in this whole mess

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                              • E [email protected]

                                As this keeps happening I continue to wonder when Europe and the UK will finally realize how badly they need to air conditioning. The units are (or were in the past year or 3)b way more expensive there than here in America. I dunno about current costs. It's worth it though, even if you only need it for like 1 month out of the year.

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                                Ah yes what we need is to burn even more energy /s

                                We're doomed because of idiots like you lmao. How does it feel knowing you're responsible for the end of humanity?

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                                  When do we start shoving the people responsible into prisons? The airlines, car, weapon manufacturers,...

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                                  When we stop voting out politicians that try to add a carbon tax.

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                                  • E [email protected]

                                    As this keeps happening I continue to wonder when Europe and the UK will finally realize how badly they need to air conditioning. The units are (or were in the past year or 3)b way more expensive there than here in America. I dunno about current costs. It's worth it though, even if you only need it for like 1 month out of the year.

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                                    I live in Spain, and since temperatures are now reaching 39°C in my area, I ordered two AC units for the most used rooms in my house (living room and bedroom).

                                    With installation it costed 1300€. A months salary basically. In my area the cheapest unit with installation was 450€, but it didn't look very reliable.

                                    I ordered it 11 days ago, and I'm scheduled to receive it and installed either this week or the next. AC installers are oversaturated with orders this time of the year. It's insane.

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                                      Is the median living room 36 square meters? Seems unfair to compare median salary with a rather big house/apartment.

                                      Growing up our dining/living room was 24m2 and I could be cooled with a 200 euro portable AC.

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                                      Fair point.

                                      We also have a 20 square meter study where we installed AC. The unit cost around 550 euros and installation was like 70 euros cheaper. Total cost was cheaper but still hard for a median family to support.

                                      Most families use some sort of fan or cooling column but they are quite lackluster and only work in summer.

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                                        There is still snow somewhere on earth, everything is fine!

                                        - a politician somewhere

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                                        Lets all fly with our private jets to venice for a wedding!

                                        oh also you cant use plastic straws cause its bad for the environment.

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                                          Ah yes what we need is to burn even more energy /s

                                          We're doomed because of idiots like you lmao. How does it feel knowing you're responsible for the end of humanity?

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                                          You're using a phone, which not only uses energy and petrochemicals to make but sometimes even slave labor.

                                          "We're doomed because of idiots like you lmao. How does it feel knowing you're responsible for the end of humanity?"

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