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  3. This is irrelevant because Meta should not be tried for this the same as a private individual would be.

This is irrelevant because Meta should not be tried for this the same as a private individual would be.

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    This is irrelevant because Meta should not be tried for this the same as a private individual would be.

    The case for torrenting being illegal for private individuals is one or both of:

    1. Downloading in of itself is stealing.
    2. Uploading is giving unauthorized access to someone else who otherwise might have had a harder time finding it.
      Anything else, such as watching, reading, listening, learning, etc. is not illegal (or does not make sense to make illegal). The exception might be publishing. This is rare for private individuals (e.g. using pirated FL studio to make a commercial song).

    For corporations, a lot change. Firstly, a corporation downloading a torrent is necessarily making unauthorized material available for some people of the company. It's like a group of 20 friends all downloaded and uploaded to each other. Secondly, they used this copyrighted material commercially (like playing pirated music in a public night club). Both should be illegal.

    However, all of this is still a distraction. The real issue is using copyrighted materials to train commercial AI. Does Meta require permission from copyright holders to make AI based on their work? The law is grey on this, and desperately needs regulations.

    Just my thoughts.

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      This is irrelevant because Meta should not be tried for this the same as a private individual would be.

      The case for torrenting being illegal for private individuals is one or both of:

      1. Downloading in of itself is stealing.
      2. Uploading is giving unauthorized access to someone else who otherwise might have had a harder time finding it.
        Anything else, such as watching, reading, listening, learning, etc. is not illegal (or does not make sense to make illegal). The exception might be publishing. This is rare for private individuals (e.g. using pirated FL studio to make a commercial song).

      For corporations, a lot change. Firstly, a corporation downloading a torrent is necessarily making unauthorized material available for some people of the company. It's like a group of 20 friends all downloaded and uploaded to each other. Secondly, they used this copyrighted material commercially (like playing pirated music in a public night club). Both should be illegal.

      However, all of this is still a distraction. The real issue is using copyrighted materials to train commercial AI. Does Meta require permission from copyright holders to make AI based on their work? The law is grey on this, and desperately needs regulations.

      Just my thoughts.

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      AI has already stolen everyone’s work. The internet is officially a free for all.

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        AI has already stolen everyone’s work. The internet is officially a free for all.

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        just like back in the good ol' days.

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          just like back in the good ol' days.

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          Except in the good ol' days just about everything on the 'net benefited most of us in some way ... and it was free. Now it sure as hell ain't free and it's been co-opted to benefit billionaires only.

          I started torrenting 23 years ago and it was easy. Just a client, no VPN required. Now I need not only a VPN, but a good router that I can flash with a (still mostly free) program, hours of working out how best to set up the router with wireguard etc, then scroll through dozens of links to try and find a stable stream to watch hockey.

          It's fucking exhausting.

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