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Russia has depleted its tank stocks: the industry is not covering combat losses

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  • T [email protected]

    Russia has a larger army than any European country. Only Ukraine comes close, and they have veterancy only rivaled by the US and Ukraine.

    (Ukraine probably wins on veterancy)

    Sure, if Europe acts with Unity, they can roflstomp Russia, but Moscow would be looking for a moment of crisis to exploit.

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    NATO-Europe without the U.S. still outmatches Russia militarily and economically by a wide margin, but the real issue isn’t brute strength—it’s readiness and political will. Russia can't beat Ukraine, let alone all of NATO, but a surprise move in the Baltics or Suwałki Gap could be disastrous if Europe doesn't act fast. It’s not that Russia is strong—it’s that Europe can’t afford to be slow or divided.

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      They absolutely can.

      Russia has thousands of men willing to fight in horrendous conditions.

      A few thousand soldiers that are very well equipped might lose to 10x as many badly equipped enemies.

      I think they would lose, but they might not think so.

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      • L [email protected]

        Elsewhere on Lemmy today;

        Germany warns Russia may be preparing attack on NATO

        Both of these cannot be true.

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        • We're on the verge of total victory

        • The enemy is prepared to launch its biggest attack yet

        Is the same war time propaganda we've been served up for decades. Iraq/Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Kosovo, Vietnam, Korea...

        The news coverage is totally divorced from what is happening on the ground. There's even a term for it.

        Credibility Gap

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          lets bankrupt them next. they obviously have too much power and dont know how to be responsible with it.

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          Trump is already hard at work on his magnum opus bankruptcy.

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          • T [email protected]

            They absolutely can.

            Russia has thousands of men willing to fight in horrendous conditions.

            A few thousand soldiers that are very well equipped might lose to 10x as many badly equipped enemies.

            I think they would lose, but they might not think so.

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            Russia has thousands of men willing to fight in horrendous conditions.

            They've got hundreds of thousands of conscripts who are largely dug in along an enormous front, along the four eastern most seized Oblasts in Ukraine.

            Any attack they would make into a NATO state would be an artillery bombardment intended to deny Ukrainians resupply, not a ground invasion to secure territory. Particularly not when they have poor control over their own borders and a nasty instance of counter-insurgence popping up in and around their major cities.

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              I was told that russia was bankrupt and the war would be over in 3 months. And then when that wagner guy revolted, it was the final nail in the coffin

              Yet here we are and the war is still on.

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              when that wagner guy revolted, it was the final nail in the coffin

              What was crazy during the Wagner Revolt was the intransigence of the Ukraine line.

              You'd think that would be the moment for a full press by Ukraine troops over a lightly defended border. But no... they just stayed put and watched Prigovian flounder.

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                Yeah dead soldiers inside of tank that got 1 shot by a micro drone with a grenade the moment they opened their hatch don't hold ground either.

                Also, if you've seen them in Gaza they are next to useless in rubble that heavy with dudes popping out of tunnels that disable them without ever being seen.

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                It's guerilla. Not gorilla. Please spell correctly if you're trying to make a logical argument.

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                  Elsewhere on Lemmy today;

                  Germany warns Russia may be preparing attack on NATO

                  Both of these cannot be true.

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                  Taking over a Baltic state is feasible. NATO might react by sending helmets and prayers.

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                    I'm just here hoping it's both. A guerilla fighting gorilla sounds awesome

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                    leave animals out of this

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                    • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksE [email protected]

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                      I still can’t believe how fucking shameless their regime is with those “prizes”. Like… holy fuck.

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                        Then move troops there. The European NATO members already outspend Russia in terms of military investments. Russia can't even take over Ukraine, a country that's not even in NATO and hasn't even had any modern military equipment for a very long time. Hell, they're getting hand me downs from countries like Germany, equipment that's decades old, isn't state of the art, and needs repairs, and they're still keeping Russia at bay. Now there's articles about Russia depleting its own tank stocks and shit, not being able to sustain even a war with Ukraine, and we're supposed to believe that Russia will somehow attack Germany or Poland (which is to be fair probably better armed than Germany).

                        So there's only two options here: either the western press is lying about Russia depleting its stocks and they're actually holding back instead of fully invading Ukraine (God knows why they fought in Ukraine for three years now then instead of just releasing their full "military might" from the get go). Or, the western press is fear mongering about Russia actually being able to invade NATO so the military industrial complex can make a quick buck off of our tax money.

                        My two cents: there's no chance in hell Russia can invade any NATO country, they can barely function in Ukraine lmao. Just send troops to the baltic and you're gonna be fine. No need for trillions of euros in new guns.

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                        Then move troops there

                        We can't put all our troops in the Baltics, nevermind the fact that we don't have all that much troops and ammunition. Most of our money is spent on high tech weapons in limited numbers.

                        The European NATO members already outspend Russia in terms of military investments

                        Not really.

                        In terms of Euros spent, yes, we outspend them, but when adjusted for purchasing power we're scarily close to parity: 100 rubles in Russia buys you a lot more than 1 euro in Europe. And our militaries are hopelessly fragmented, and behind in the rearming race.

                        Anders Puck Nielsen has a very informative video on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxq-TvgNCBU

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                          Right, so in your version of this world, who is the fascist? Germany?

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                          Fascists are the ones that do or promote fascist things. Germany is not one of those countries.

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                            Elsewhere on Lemmy today;

                            Germany warns Russia may be preparing attack on NATO

                            Both of these cannot be true.

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                            They can be true. They might be low on current stockpile, but what is building up is production capacity. Preparing to attack doesn't mean immediately attacking, what most have concern is that once Russia's war against Ukraine cools down, Russia will spend the next 4-10 years building up towards potentially attacking NATO nations.

                            Yes, years down the line doesn't sound as alarming to the layman, but it is critical for that eventuality to be recognized and prepared for, nations and industry move slowly, and they need to prepare to fight another long drawn out war.

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                              Tanks have not been very useful relative to their expense in the age of drones.

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                                And somehow it won't effect the war at all

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                                  Taking over a Baltic state is feasible. NATO might react by sending helmets and prayers.

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                                  Artikel 42 EU treaty. All members of the EU have to fight with their full capacity. This will escalate quickly.

                                  There are already EU troops in the Baltics, just to remind the Russans of it.

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                                  • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

                                    when that wagner guy revolted, it was the final nail in the coffin

                                    What was crazy during the Wagner Revolt was the intransigence of the Ukraine line.

                                    You'd think that would be the moment for a full press by Ukraine troops over a lightly defended border. But no... they just stayed put and watched Prigovian flounder.

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                                    The Partnership: The Secret History of the War in Ukraine
                                    https://lemmy.world/post/27574354

                                    NYT article explains it.

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                                      Then move troops there

                                      We can't put all our troops in the Baltics, nevermind the fact that we don't have all that much troops and ammunition. Most of our money is spent on high tech weapons in limited numbers.

                                      The European NATO members already outspend Russia in terms of military investments

                                      Not really.

                                      In terms of Euros spent, yes, we outspend them, but when adjusted for purchasing power we're scarily close to parity: 100 rubles in Russia buys you a lot more than 1 euro in Europe. And our militaries are hopelessly fragmented, and behind in the rearming race.

                                      Anders Puck Nielsen has a very informative video on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxq-TvgNCBU

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                                      The rubel is massively devalued. PPP calculations have to be taken with a grain of salt.

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                                      • m0op0o@mander.xyzM [email protected]

                                        t-14s have been exploded

                                        Ehhhh, more like they only had like 15 of the things and none where really out of a prototype phase. Not worth sending due to the bad propaganda when they do get blown up (since there has been no tank platform in that conflict that does not get got).

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                                        I think Ukraine scored kills on one or two t-14s in the first year before Russia realized their mistake. I'll have to double check though.

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                                          Ditto for the su-57 felon.

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                                          Why is it impossible for a squadron of F-22s to defeat a squadron of SU-57s?

                                          :::

                                          Russia would have to actually build a squadron first

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