G7 leaders: ‘Iran can never have a nuclear weapon’
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I believe ALL of the following;
- Iran should not have nuclear weapons
- Israel should not have nuclear weapons
- Iran should not weaponize Palestinian suffering or coax them into attacking Israel while Iran itself sees little repercussions
- Israel should not genocide
- Israel has committed genocide and should pay a hefty price
- Neither Iran nor Israel will really answer for their fuckery
- Palestinians will remain fucked...if they survive.
My heart breaks for the Palestinian people who suffer and die for others' greed, ambition, and political squabbles.
Damn, that's the most reasonable take I've heard all year. Kudos
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I’m not defending anyone here, but Iran has made it very clear they want to use one
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Literally no? Where did you get that from? There is no country (other than the US, 80 years ago) who have made it clear they want to use one
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Please don't make Iran out to be some sort of victim in all this. What Israel is doing is wrong, but Iran has funded a lot of terrorists throughout the years, and execute people in medival ways for holding hands with the "wrong" person.
The iranian government is pure fucking evil and deserves to die horrible deaths for what they instigate and fund around the world and in their local area.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]This is Western imperial propaganda to obfuscate the fundamentally anti colonial nature of Hamas and Hezbollah by labelling them as Islamic terrorists.
The real islamic extremists like Al Qaeda and ISIS were in fact sponsored by the CIA.
I'm so sick of Americans with no clue about the region coming up with Hasbara inserted talking points about Iran. As someone who.lived through the lies on Iraq's WMDs , which was also cheered by Netanyahu, it is depressing deja vu.
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Literally no? Where did you get that from? There is no country (other than the US, 80 years ago) who have made it clear they want to use one
North Korea enters the chat
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https://www.nytimes.com/1976/10/09/archives/student-designs-2000-atom-bomb.html
University physics student designed an atomic bomb to prove that nearly anyone with information now publicly available could do the same thing.
The student, John A. Phillips, a 21‐year‐old senior, using information obtained from unclassified sources, has prepared a 34‐page report said to contain plans for a crude plutonium device weighing 125 pounds and allegedly carrying a charge one‐third as powerful as the one detonated over Hiroshima in World War II.
“The point was to show,” he said, “that any undergraduate with a physics background can do it, and therefore that it is reasonable to assume that terrorists could do it, too.”
Mr. Phillips, who took four months for research and to complete his plans, did not build his bomb, and scientists familiar with his work have refused to evaluate the plans.
But the New Haven student, whose father is a professor of mechanical engineering at Yale, contends that his academic advisers have assured him that the device is “workable.”
By the time Mr. Phillips completed his plans, he had concluded that “billions of dollars and years of research are no longer required for the design and construction of a fission bomb,” but that “fanatical dedication to the goal and scientific know‐how are.”
Mr. Phillips said yesterday while outlining his plans for the bomb, which he contends could be built for $2,000, that he could have designed a more extensive one but that he had limited himself “to the crudest, cheapest and simplest device.”
“Any other physics major could do this better,” Mr. Phillips asserted. “It was just luck that I got on the right track. I'm really one of the poorest students in the physics department.”
While i am sure his comments on it costing $2,000 ($11,300 today) are broadly exaggerating, the key point remains. The information needed is really not the obstacle in the process of acquiring a nuclear bomb.
That is a wild story and fucking terrifying.
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I believe ALL of the following;
- Iran should not have nuclear weapons
- Israel should not have nuclear weapons
- Iran should not weaponize Palestinian suffering or coax them into attacking Israel while Iran itself sees little repercussions
- Israel should not genocide
- Israel has committed genocide and should pay a hefty price
- Neither Iran nor Israel will really answer for their fuckery
- Palestinians will remain fucked...if they survive.
My heart breaks for the Palestinian people who suffer and die for others' greed, ambition, and political squabbles.
This is the nature of modern day proxy conflicts. Both actors can continue easily but the "battlefield" like Gaza and South Lebanon are the ones that lose.
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North Korea enters the chat
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I left Korea recently after living there for 3 years. Idk what Fox News and CNN have going on, but no, North Korea is not threatening to nuke anyone. They use nukes as a "don't invade me", same as every other country
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That is a wild story and fucking terrifying.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Another fun read:
Radioactive Boy Scout -
Please don't make Iran out to be some sort of victim in all this. What Israel is doing is wrong, but Iran has funded a lot of terrorists throughout the years, and execute people in medival ways for holding hands with the "wrong" person.
The iranian government is pure fucking evil and deserves to die horrible deaths for what they instigate and fund around the world and in their local area.
It's a deep sarcasm that Western oil companies destabilized the Iranian monarchy, that * shockingly* wanted a piece of the pie in such a way it paved the way for islamist extremists to gain power.
Ian used to be pretty liberal and western minded, however westen meddling caused this extreme government.
But God forbid they get the means to (to use the Israeli turn off phrase) 'defend' itself, that would be horrendous.
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It's a deep sarcasm that Western oil companies destabilized the Iranian monarchy, that * shockingly* wanted a piece of the pie in such a way it paved the way for islamist extremists to gain power.
Ian used to be pretty liberal and western minded, however westen meddling caused this extreme government.
But God forbid they get the means to (to use the Israeli turn off phrase) 'defend' itself, that would be horrendous.
Yes, yes, we all know Iran used to be liberal a very long time ago.
That ship has sailed, and the current regime isn't great, to say the very least.
Nuclear bombs would not be used to defend Iran. They would be used to defend Khamenei. In the same way that nukes are for defending that shit stain in Israel and not Israel.
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Tehran “is the principal source of regional instability and terror,” declare G7 leaders in a joint statement.
The leaders of the G7 countries on Monday issued a joint statement saying Iran should not have nuclear weapons and affirming Israel's right to defend itself.
"Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror. We have been consistently clear that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon," declared the statement, issued by the leaders of the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan, along with the EU.
They pledged to "remain vigilant to the implications for international energy markets and stand ready to coordinate, including with like-minded partners, to safeguard market stability."
China, India, and Pakistan once again proving that having nukes does actually matter because you can't be arbitrarily shoved around around by the only other nuclear powers.
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I believe ALL of the following;
- Iran should not have nuclear weapons
- Israel should not have nuclear weapons
- Iran should not weaponize Palestinian suffering or coax them into attacking Israel while Iran itself sees little repercussions
- Israel should not genocide
- Israel has committed genocide and should pay a hefty price
- Neither Iran nor Israel will really answer for their fuckery
- Palestinians will remain fucked...if they survive.
My heart breaks for the Palestinian people who suffer and die for others' greed, ambition, and political squabbles.
Iran is answering for their fuckery
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There's no real way of knowing what would have happened, but knowledge is eventually gained. Somebody would have developed nukes even if it tool a lot longer and we'd end up being in a similar situation eventually.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Knowledge is eventually gained, someone would have built practical devices relating to nuclear fission, whether that was a bomb or a reactor.
Nazi Germany would not have done that in any time frame relevant to WWII. They specifically rejected aspects of atomic/quantum theory because they were tainted by "jewish science" which unknowingly set them back decades and sent them in the wrong direction. As much as they were obsessed with super weapons, they were very unscientific in their R&D.
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Yes, yes, we all know Iran used to be liberal a very long time ago.
That ship has sailed, and the current regime isn't great, to say the very least.
Nuclear bombs would not be used to defend Iran. They would be used to defend Khamenei. In the same way that nukes are for defending that shit stain in Israel and not Israel.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Ik no fan of the current regime, I think both Israel and Iran would benefit from a regime change. There's nothing more moral on the Israeli side to explain them deserving nukes over anyone in that region.
But the hypocrisy is that the Western world directly caused this shit.
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The Germans would have beat us to the bomb and used it and we would all be Nazis.
What if the bomb just wasn’t possible? WWII would have lasted a lot longer, but the allies were going to win eventually at that point. There would not have been a Cold War (at least not one influenced by an arms race)
This illustrates exactly why we, as a species, are fucking doomed. If some on can do something that gives them a competitive edge, then someone will do it. Those who opt out are left behind.
It's why we can't stop fossil fuels. Whoever stops using them will be at a competitive disadvantage. It's why we can't just leave AI on the shelf.
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Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror.
Ok does someone want to catch me up on this opinion shared by world leaders but quite literally no one else?
Like yes, Iran is a terrible authoritarian state that is very dangerous. But so is Saudi Arabia?!
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Here's the short version (yes, this is incomplete because even writing this is a small essay. If somebody feels like adding context please do so), to answer your question on the background to their statement & position. The position is fairly common outside Lemmy at least.
History, history, history... (very long story)
2022: Israel was working on normalizing relations with the Arab countries. Things are relatively peaceful in the ME, albeit pretty shit for Arabs in Gaza & WB, not a warzone though. This succeeding would have been a threat to the Iranian network of terrorist organizations (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, groups in Syria such as the IRGC).
Iran pushes forth October 7 to reignite tensions, training Hamas operatives & such.
Hamas attacks Israel on Oct. 7 kicking off the war - other Iranian proxy groups soon join in. Initially there is no direct conflict between Israel & Iran.
2024 april - IDF strikes the Iranian consulate in Syria to take senior officers in the Hezbollah chain of command and assassinates several others. Iran retaliates with missiles against with strikes against Israel proper.
After that, tit for tat strikes in increasing magnitude and escalations which have culminated in the current situation. No, it was not surprising, this conflict was always fundamentally between Israel & Iran and has been slowly escalating for a long time.
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This illustrates exactly why we, as a species, are fucking doomed. If some on can do something that gives them a competitive edge, then someone will do it. Those who opt out are left behind.
It's why we can't stop fossil fuels. Whoever stops using them will be at a competitive disadvantage. It's why we can't just leave AI on the shelf.
Yes the smarter we get, the better we get at destroying ourselves. Ridiculous.
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Another fun read:
Radioactive Boy ScoutI have heard of that one. It is insane what is possible to do with materials available to civilians.
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And not only that, Israel has nuclear weapons.
...and it's supposed to be a secret because God forbid having to comply with international treaties on nukes. Well it's not like they respect international law anyway right? But the ones on nukes they just bypass and no one bats an eye
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Tehran “is the principal source of regional instability and terror,” declare G7 leaders in a joint statement.
The leaders of the G7 countries on Monday issued a joint statement saying Iran should not have nuclear weapons and affirming Israel's right to defend itself.
"Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror. We have been consistently clear that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon," declared the statement, issued by the leaders of the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan, along with the EU.
They pledged to "remain vigilant to the implications for international energy markets and stand ready to coordinate, including with like-minded partners, to safeguard market stability."
"Iran is two weeks away from nuclear capability" - Netanyahu: 2012, 2015, 2018, 2023, 2025
