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Majority of AI Researchers Say Tech Industry Is Pouring Billions Into a Dead End

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  • tonytins@pawb.socialT [email protected]

    They're throwing billions upon billions into a technology with extremely limited use cases and a novelty, at best. My god, even drones fared better in the long run.

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    Nah, generative ai is pretty remarkably useful for software development. I've written dozens of product updates with tools like claudecode and cursorai, dismissing it as a novelty is reductive and straight up incorrect

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      Optimizing AI performance by “scaling” is lazy and wasteful.

      Reminds me of back in the early 2000s when someone would say don’t worry about performance, GHz will always go up.

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        Its not a dead end if you replace all big name search engines with this. Then slowly replace real results with your own. Then it accomplishes something.

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          Nah, generative ai is pretty remarkably useful for software development. I've written dozens of product updates with tools like claudecode and cursorai, dismissing it as a novelty is reductive and straight up incorrect

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          I weep for your customers

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            Imo our current version of ai are too generalized, we add so much information into the ai to make them good at everything it all mixes together into a single grey halucinating slop that the ai ends up being good at nothing.

            We need to find ways to specialize ai and give said ai a more consistent and concrete personality to move forward.

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            • deegeese@sopuli.xyzD [email protected]

              Optimizing AI performance by “scaling” is lazy and wasteful.

              Reminds me of back in the early 2000s when someone would say don’t worry about performance, GHz will always go up.

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              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth's_law

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                I liked generative AI more when it was just a funny novelty and not being advertised to everyone under the false pretenses of being smart and useful. Its architecture is incompatible with actual intelligence, and anyone who thinks otherwise is just fooling themselves. (It does make an alright autocomplete though).

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                  Imo our current version of ai are too generalized, we add so much information into the ai to make them good at everything it all mixes together into a single grey halucinating slop that the ai ends up being good at nothing.

                  We need to find ways to specialize ai and give said ai a more consistent and concrete personality to move forward.

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                  Imo to make an ai that is truly good at everything we need to have multiple ai all designed to do something different all working together (like the human brain works) instead of making every single ai a personality-less sludge of jack of all trades master of none

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                    I weep for your customers

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                    They're all pretty fired up at the update velocity tbh 🤷

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                      Take a car that's stuck in reverse, slap a 454 Chevy big block in it. You'll have a car that still drives the wrong way; but faster.

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                        Nah, generative ai is pretty remarkably useful for software development. I've written dozens of product updates with tools like claudecode and cursorai, dismissing it as a novelty is reductive and straight up incorrect

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                        As someone starting a small business, it has helped tremendously. I use a lot of image generation.

                        If that didn’t exist, I’d either has to use crappy looking clip art or pay a designer which I literally can’t afford.

                        Now my projects actually look good. It makes my first projects look like a highschooler did them last minute.

                        There are many other uses, but I rely on it daily. My business can exist without it, but the quality of my product is significantly better and the cost to create it is much lower.

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                          Imo to make an ai that is truly good at everything we need to have multiple ai all designed to do something different all working together (like the human brain works) instead of making every single ai a personality-less sludge of jack of all trades master of none

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                          Mixture of experts is the future of AI. Breakthroughs won't come from bigger models, it'll come from better coordinated conversations between models.

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                            I liked generative AI more when it was just a funny novelty and not being advertised to everyone under the false pretenses of being smart and useful. Its architecture is incompatible with actual intelligence, and anyone who thinks otherwise is just fooling themselves. (It does make an alright autocomplete though).

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                            The peak of AI for me was generating images Muppet versions of the Breaking Bad cast; it's been downhill since.

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                              They're throwing billions upon billions into a technology with extremely limited use cases and a novelty, at best. My god, even drones fared better in the long run.

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                              I mean it's pretty clear they're desperate to cut human workers out of the picture so they don't have to pay employees that need things like emotional support, food, and sleep.

                              They want a workslave that never demands better conditions, that's it. That's the play. Period.

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                                They're all pretty fired up at the update velocity tbh 🤷

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                                Yeah, nothing pleases us more than constant, buggy updates.

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                                  Yeah, nothing pleases us more than constant, buggy updates.

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                                  Don't be an ass and realize that ai is a great tool for a lot of people. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

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                                    Worst case scenario, I don't think money spent on supercomputers is the worst way to spend money.
                                    That in itself has brought chip design and development forward.
                                    Not to mention ai is already invaluable with a lot of science research. Invaluable!

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                                      Optimizing AI performance by “scaling” is lazy and wasteful.

                                      Reminds me of back in the early 2000s when someone would say don’t worry about performance, GHz will always go up.

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                                      Thing is, same as with GHz, you have to do it as much as you can until the gains get too small. You do that, then you move on to the next optimization. Like ai has and is now optimizing test time compute, token quality, and other areas.

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                                      • tonytins@pawb.socialT [email protected]

                                        They're throwing billions upon billions into a technology with extremely limited use cases and a novelty, at best. My god, even drones fared better in the long run.

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                                        I don't think any designer does work without heavily relying on ai. I bet that's not the only profession.

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                                          Don't be an ass and realize that ai is a great tool for a lot of people. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

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                                          It's not hard to comprehend. It's that we literally have jackasses like Sam Altman arguing that if they can't commit copyright violations at an industrial scale and pace that their business model falls apart. Yet, we're still nailing regular people for piracy on an individual scale. As always individuals pay the price and are treated like criminals, but as long as you commit crime big enough and fast enough on an industrial scale, we shake our heads, go "wow" and treat you like a fucking hero.

                                          If the benefits of this technology were evenly distributed the argument might have a leg to stand on, but it is never evenly distributed. It is always used as a way to pay professionals less for work that is "just okay."

                                          When a business buys the tools to use generative AI and they shitcan employees to afford it they have effectively used those employees labor against them to replace them with something lesser. Their labor was exploited to replace them. The people who actually deserve the bonus of generative AI are losing or being expected to be ten times more productive instead of being allowed to cool their heels because they worked hard enough to have this doohickey work for them. No, it's always "line must go up, rich must get richer, fuck the laborers."

                                          I'll stop being an ass about it when people stop burning employees out who already work hard or straight up fire them and replace them with this bullshit when their labor is what allowed the business to afford this bullshit to begin with. No manager or CEO can do all this labor on their own, but they get the fruits of all the labor their employees do as though they did do it all on their own, and it is fucked up.

                                          I don't have a problem with technology that makes our lives easier. I don't have a problem with copyright violations (copyright as it exists is broken. It still needs to exist, just not in its current form).

                                          What I have a problem with is businesses using this as an excuse to work their employees like slaves or replacing the employees that allowed them to afford these tools with these tools.

                                          When everyone who worked hard to afford this stuff gets a paid vacation for helping to afford the tools and then comes back to an easier workload because the tools help that much, I'll stop being a fucking ass about it.

                                          Like I said elsewhere, the bottom line is business owners want a slave that doesn't need things like sleep, food, emotional support, and never pushes back against being abused. I'm tired of people pretending like it's not what businesses want. I'm tired of people pretending this does anything except make already overworked employees bust even more ass.

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