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Elon Musk wants to rewrite "the entire corpus of human knowledge" with Grok

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  • B [email protected]

    We have seen from his many other comments about this, that he just wants a propaganda bot that regurgitates all of the right wing talking points. So that will definitely be easier to achieve if he does it that way.

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    that he just wants a propaganda bot that regurgitates all of the right wing talking points.

    Then he has utterly failed with Grok. One of my new favorite pastimes is watching right wingers get angry that Grok won't support their most obviously counterfactual bullshit and then proceed to try to argue it into saying something they can declare a win from.

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    • thegreenwizard@lemmy.zipT [email protected]

      Wikipedia gives lists of their sources, judge what you read based off of that. Or just skip to the sources and read them instead.

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      Just because Wikipedia offers a list of references doesn't mean that those references reflect what knowledge is actually out there. Wikipedia is trying to be academically rigorous without any of the real work. A big part of doing academic research is reading articles and studies that are wrong or which prove the null hypothesis. That's why we need experts and not just an AI to regurgitate information. Wikipedia is useful if people understand it's limitations, I think a lot of people don't though.

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      • B [email protected]

        [My] translation: "I want to rewrite history to what I want".

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        That was my first impression, but then it shifted into "I want my AI to be the shittiest of them all".

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        • P [email protected]

          We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

          Then retrain on that.

          Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

          Source.

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          Source.

          Source.
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          Not sure if has been said already. Fuck musk.

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          • P [email protected]

            We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

            Then retrain on that.

            Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

            Source.

            ::: spoiler More Context

            Source.

            Source.
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            Elon Musk, like most pseudo intellectuals, has a very shallow understanding of things. Human knowledge is full of holes, and they cannot simply be resolved through logic, which Mush the dweeb imagines.

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            • I [email protected]

              Just because Wikipedia offers a list of references doesn't mean that those references reflect what knowledge is actually out there. Wikipedia is trying to be academically rigorous without any of the real work. A big part of doing academic research is reading articles and studies that are wrong or which prove the null hypothesis. That's why we need experts and not just an AI to regurgitate information. Wikipedia is useful if people understand it's limitations, I think a lot of people don't though.

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              For sure, Wikipedia is for the most basic subjects to research, or the first step of doing any research (they could still offer helpful sources) . For basic stuff, or quick glances of something for conversation.

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              • K [email protected]

                That was my first impression, but then it shifted into "I want my AI to be the shittiest of them all".

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                Why not both?

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                • A [email protected]

                  asdf

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                  So what would you consider to be a trustworthy source?

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                  • P [email protected]

                    We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

                    Then retrain on that.

                    Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

                    Source.

                    ::: spoiler More Context

                    Source.

                    Source.
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                    He's been frustrated by the fact that he can't make Wikipedia 'tell the truth' for years. This will be his attempt to replace it.

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                    • P [email protected]

                      We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

                      Then retrain on that.

                      Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

                      Source.

                      ::: spoiler More Context

                      Source.

                      Source.
                      :::

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                      #127

                      I never would have thought it possible that a person could be so full of themselves to say something like that

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                      • M [email protected]

                        The plan to "rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge" with AI sounds impressive until you realize LLMs are just pattern-matching systems that remix existing text. They can't create genuinely new knowledge or identify "missing information" that wasn't already in their training data.

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                        To be fair, your brain is a pattern-matching system.

                        When you catch a ball, you’re not doing the physics calculations in your head- you’re making predictions based on an enormous quantity of input. Unless you’re being very deliberate, you’re not thinking before you speak every word- your brain’s predictive processing takes over and you often literally speak before you think.

                        Fuck LLMs- but I think it’s a bit wild to dismiss the power of a sufficiently advanced pattern-matching system.

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                        • D [email protected]

                          I keep a partial local copy of Wikipedia on my phone and backup device with an app called Kiwix. Great if you need access to certain items in remote areas with no access to the internet.

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                          They may laugh now, but you're gonna kick ass when you get isekai'd.

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                          • thegreenwizard@lemmy.zipT [email protected]

                            For sure, Wikipedia is for the most basic subjects to research, or the first step of doing any research (they could still offer helpful sources) . For basic stuff, or quick glances of something for conversation.

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                            This very much depends on the subject, I suspect. For math or computer science, wikipedia is an excellent source, and the credentials of the editors maintaining those areas are formidable (to say the least). Their explanations of the underlaying mechanisms are in my experience a little variable in quality, but I haven't found one that's even close to outright wrong.

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                            • P [email protected]

                              We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

                              Then retrain on that.

                              Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

                              Source.

                              ::: spoiler More Context

                              Source.

                              Source.
                              :::

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                              Unironically Orwellian

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                              • P [email protected]

                                We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

                                Then retrain on that.

                                Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

                                Source.

                                ::: spoiler More Context

                                Source.

                                Source.
                                :::

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                                I'm just seeing bakes in the lies.

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                                • S [email protected]

                                  Wikipedia is not a trustworthy source of information for anything regarding contemporary politics or economics.

                                  Wikipedia presents the views of reliable sources on notable topics. The trick is what sources are considered "reliable" and what topics are "notable", which is why it's such a poor source of information for things like contemporary politics in particular.

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                                  asdf

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                                  • S [email protected]

                                    Wikipedia is not a trustworthy source of information for anything regarding contemporary politics or economics.

                                    Wikipedia presents the views of reliable sources on notable topics. The trick is what sources are considered "reliable" and what topics are "notable", which is why it's such a poor source of information for things like contemporary politics in particular.

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                                    asdf

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                                    • R [email protected]

                                      I never would have thought it possible that a person could be so full of themselves to say something like that

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                                      An interesting thought experiment: I think he's full of shit, you think he's full of himself. Maybe there's a "theory of everything" here somewhere. E = shit squared?

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                                      • P [email protected]

                                        We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

                                        Then retrain on that.

                                        Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

                                        Source.

                                        ::: spoiler More Context

                                        Source.

                                        Source.
                                        :::

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                                        I remember when I learned what corpus meant too

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                                        • N [email protected]

                                          Elon Musk, like most pseudo intellectuals, has a very shallow understanding of things. Human knowledge is full of holes, and they cannot simply be resolved through logic, which Mush the dweeb imagines.

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                                          Uh, just a thought. Please pardon, I'm not an Elon shill, I just think your argument phrasing is off.

                                          How would you know there are holes in understanding, without logic. How would you remedy gaps of understanding in human knowledge, without the application of logic to find things are consistent?

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