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Elon Musk wants to rewrite "the entire corpus of human knowledge" with Grok

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  • queermunist@lemmy.mlQ [email protected]

    Nothing that has been demonstrated makes me think these chatbots should be allowed to rewrite human history what the fuck?!

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    That's not what I said. It's absolutely dystopian how Musk is trying to tailor his own reality.

    What I did say (and I've been doing AI research since the AlexNet days...) is that LLMs aren't old school ML systems, and we're at the point that simply scaling up to insane levels has yielded results that no one expected, but it was the lowest hanging fruit at the time. Few shot learning -> novel space generalization is very hard, so the easiest method was just take what is currently done and make it bigger (a la ResNet back in the day).

    Lemmy is almost as bad as reddit when it comes to hiveminds.

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      We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

      Then retrain on that.

      Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

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      Yes please do that Elon, please poison grok with garbage until full model collapse.

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      • W [email protected]

        To be fair, your brain is a pattern-matching system.

        When you catch a ball, you’re not doing the physics calculations in your head- you’re making predictions based on an enormous quantity of input. Unless you’re being very deliberate, you’re not thinking before you speak every word- your brain’s predictive processing takes over and you often literally speak before you think.

        Fuck LLMs- but I think it’s a bit wild to dismiss the power of a sufficiently advanced pattern-matching system.

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        I said literally this in my reply, and the lemmy hivemind downvoted me. Beware of sharing information here I guess.

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        • P [email protected]

          We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

          Then retrain on that.

          Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

          Source.

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          “Deleting Errors” should sound alarm bells in your head.

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          • P [email protected]

            We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

            Then retrain on that.

            Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

            Source.

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            Instead, he should improve humanity by dying. So much easier and everyone would be so much happier.

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            • hossenfeffer@feddit.ukH [email protected]

              He's been frustrated by the fact that he can't make Wikipedia 'tell the truth' for years. This will be his attempt to replace it.

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              There are thousands of backups of wikipedia, and you can download the entire thing legally, for free.

              He'll never be rid of it.

              Wikipedia may even outlive humanity, ever so slightly.

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              • b3an@lemmy.worldB [email protected]

                That is definitely how I read it.

                History can’t just be ‘rewritten’ by A.I. and taken as truth. That’s fucking stupid.

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                It's truth in Whitemanistan though

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                • N [email protected]

                  Whatever. The next generation will have to learn to trust whether the material is true or not by using sources like Wikipedia or books by well-regarded authors.

                  The other thing that he doesn't understand (and most "AI" advocates don't either) is that LLMs have nothing to do with facts or information. They're just probabilistic models that pick the next word(s) based on context. Anyone trying to address the facts and information produced by these models is completely missing the point.

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                  The other thing that he doesn't understand (and most "AI" advocates don't either) is that LLMs have nothing to do with facts or information. They're just probabilistic models that pick the next word(s) based on context.

                  That's a massive oversimplification, it's like saying humans don't remember things, we just have neurons that fire based on context

                  LLMs do actually "know" things. They work based on tokens and weights, which are the nodes and edges of a high dimensional graph. The llm traverses this graph as it processes inputs and generates new tokens

                  You can do brain surgery on an llm and change what it knows, we have a very good understanding of how this works. You can change a single link and the model will believe the Eiffel tower is in Rome, and it'll describe how you have a great view of the colosseum from the top

                  The problem is that it's very complicated and complex, researchers are currently developing new math to let us do this in a useful way

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                  • W [email protected]

                    There are thousands of backups of wikipedia, and you can download the entire thing legally, for free.

                    He'll never be rid of it.

                    Wikipedia may even outlive humanity, ever so slightly.

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                    Wikipedia may even outlive humanity, ever so slightly.

                    Yes

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                    • J [email protected]

                      An interesting thought experiment: I think he's full of shit, you think he's full of himself. Maybe there's a "theory of everything" here somewhere. E = shit squared?

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                      He is a little shit, he's full of shit, ergo he's full of himself

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                      • P [email protected]

                        We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

                        Then retrain on that.

                        Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

                        Source.

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                        I read about this in a popular book by some guy named Orwell

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                        • P [email protected]

                          We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

                          Then retrain on that.

                          Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

                          Source.

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                          By the way, when you refuse to band together, organize, and dispose of these people, they entrench themselves further in power. Everyone ignored Kari Lake as a harmless kook and she just destroyed Voice of America. That loudmouthed MAGA asshole in your neighborhood is going to commit a murder.

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                          • P [email protected]

                            We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

                            Then retrain on that.

                            Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

                            Source.

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                            What the fuck? This is so unhinged. Genuine question, is he actually this dumb or he's just saying complete bullshit to boost stock prices?

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                            • P [email protected]

                              We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

                              Then retrain on that.

                              Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

                              Source.

                              ::: spoiler More Context

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                              Fuck Elon Musk

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                              • P [email protected]

                                We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

                                Then retrain on that.

                                Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

                                Source.

                                ::: spoiler More Context

                                Source.

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                                Yes! We should all wholeheartedly support this GREAT INNOVATION! There is NOTHING THAT COULD GO WRONG, so this will be an excellent step to PERMANENTLY PERFECT this WONDERFUL AI.

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                                • thepowerofgeek@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                                  That's not how knowledge works. You can't just have an LLM hallucinate in missing gaps in knowledge and call it good.

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                                  SHH!! Yes you can, Elon! recursively training your model on itself definitely has NO DOWNSIDES

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                                  • M [email protected]

                                    We will take the entire library of human knowledge, cleans it, and ensure our version is the only record available.

                                    The only comfort I have is knowing anything that is true can be relearned by observing reality through the lense of science, which is itself reproducible from observing how we observe reality.

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                                    Have some more comfort

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                                    • P [email protected]

                                      We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

                                      Then retrain on that.

                                      Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

                                      Source.

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                                      Huh. I'm not sure if he's understood the alignment problem quite right.

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                                      • V [email protected]

                                        What the fuck? This is so unhinged. Genuine question, is he actually this dumb or he's just saying complete bullshit to boost stock prices?

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                                        my guess is yes.

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                                        • F [email protected]

                                          I read about this in a popular book by some guy named Orwell

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                                          Wasn't he the children's author who published the book about a talking animals learning the value of hard work or something?

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