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Elon Musk wants to rewrite "the entire corpus of human knowledge" with Grok

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  • P [email protected]

    We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

    Then retrain on that.

    Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

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    adding missing information and deleting errors

    Which is to say, "I'm sick of Grok accurately portraying me as an evil dipshit, so I'm going to feed it a bunch of right-wing talking points and get rid of anything that hurts my feelings."

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    • P [email protected]

      We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

      Then retrain on that.

      Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

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      I see Mr. Musk has started using intracerebrally.

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      • mannycalavera@feddit.ukM [email protected]

        US tax payers clearly aren't since they're subsidising his drug habit.

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        If we had direct control over how our tax dollars were spent, things would be different pretty fast. Might not be better, but different.

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        • P [email protected]

          We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

          Then retrain on that.

          Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

          Source.

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          I've seen what happens when image generating AI trains on AI art and I can't wait to see the same thing for "knowledge"

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            The plan to "rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge" with AI sounds impressive until you realize LLMs are just pattern-matching systems that remix existing text. They can't create genuinely new knowledge or identify "missing information" that wasn't already in their training data.

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            But Grok 3.5/4 has Advanced Reasoning

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            • P [email protected]

              We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

              Then retrain on that.

              Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

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              iamverysmart

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              • facedeer@fedia.ioF [email protected]

                I'm interested to see how this turns out. My prediction is that the AI trained from the results will be insane, in the unable-to-reason-effectively sense, because we don't yet have AIs capable of rewriting all that knowledge and keeping it consistent. Each little bit of it considered in isolation will fit the criteria that Musk provides, but taken as a whole it'll be a giant mess of contradictions.

                Sure, the existing corpus of knowledge doesn't all say the same thing either, but the contradictions in it can be identified with deeper consistent patterns. An AI trained off of Reddit will learn drastically different outlooks and information from /r/conservative comments than it would from /r/news comments, but the fact that those are two identifiable communities means that it'd see a higher order consistency to this. If anything that'll help it understand that there are different views in the world.

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                LLMs are prediction tools. What it will produce is a corpus that doesn't use certain phrases, or will use others more heavily, but will have the same aggregate statistical "shape".

                It'll also be preposterously hard for them to work out, since the data it was trained on always has someone eventually disagreeing with the racist fascist bullshit they'll get it to focus on. Eventually it'll start saying things that contradict whatever it was supposed to be saying, because statistically eventually some manner of contrary opinion is voiced.
                They won't be able to check the entire corpus for weird stuff like that, or delights like MLK speeches being rewriten to be anti-integration, so the next version will have the same basic information, but passed through a filter that makes it sound like a drunk incel talking about asian women.

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                  But Grok 3.5/4 has Advanced Reasoning

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                  Surprised he didn’t name it Giga Reasoning or some other dumb shit.

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                  • P [email protected]

                    We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

                    Then retrain on that.

                    Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

                    Source.

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                    This is the Ministry of Truth.

                    This is the Ministry of Truth on AI.

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                    • P [email protected]

                      We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

                      Then retrain on that.

                      Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

                      Source.

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                      This is just vibe written fantasy historical fiction.

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                      • P [email protected]

                        We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

                        Then retrain on that.

                        Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

                        Source.

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                        "And the Libertarian founding fathers defeated the woke pro-slavery communists, to get rid of the DEI british and found America (which was uninhabited at the time)" -Grok

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                        • A [email protected]

                          How does anyone consider him a "genius"? This guy is just so stupid.

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                          Guessing some kind of PR campaign that he purchased to make him look like a genius on TV and movies.

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                          • P [email protected]

                            We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

                            Then retrain on that.

                            Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

                            Source.

                            ::: spoiler More Context

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                            adding missing information

                            From where?

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                              Remember the "white genocide in South Africa" nonsense? That kind of rewriting of history.

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                              It's not the LLM doing that though. It's the people feeding it information

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                              • P [email protected]

                                We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

                                Then retrain on that.

                                Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

                                Source.

                                ::: spoiler More Context

                                Source.

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                                I love that he can call things "objectively false", but then not actually try and counterpoint any of them. It's wrong because it disagrees with what I believe. Is he going to claim the amounts are wrong, or that Jan 6th is not right wing. Disagree that left wing violence is at the extreme ends targeting property?

                                Grok is at least showing examples to explain it's conclusion, musk is just copying trumps "nope fake news".

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                                • sentient_loom@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

                                  adding missing information

                                  From where?

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                                  Musk's fascist ass.

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                                  • thepowerofgeek@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                                    That's not how knowledge works. You can't just have an LLM hallucinate in missing gaps in knowledge and call it good.

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                                    Yeah, this would be a stupid plan based on a defective understanding of how LLMs work even before taking the blatant ulterior motives into account.

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                                    • P [email protected]

                                      We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

                                      Then retrain on that.

                                      Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

                                      Source.

                                      ::: spoiler More Context

                                      Source.

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                                      Aren't you not supposed to train LLMs on LLM-generated content?

                                      Also he should call it Grok 5; so powerful that it skips over 4. That would be very characteristic of him

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                                      • B [email protected]

                                        It's not the LLM doing that though. It's the people feeding it information

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                                        Try rereading the whole tweet, it's not very long. It's specifically saying that they plan to "correct" the dataset using Grok, then retrain with that dataset.

                                        It would be way too expensive to go through it by hand

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                                        • M [email protected]

                                          The plan to "rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge" with AI sounds impressive until you realize LLMs are just pattern-matching systems that remix existing text. They can't create genuinely new knowledge or identify "missing information" that wasn't already in their training data.

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                                          Generally, yes. However, there have been some incredible (borderline "magic") emergent generalization capabilities that I don't think anyone was expecting.

                                          Modern AI is more than just "pattern matching" at this point. Yes at the lowest levels, sure that's what it's doing, but then you could also say human brains are just pattern matching at that same low level.

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