Is the Fediverse stalling?
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It's the other way around, OpenStars suggested Lemmy to the people, the people had a look and were not convinced.
They usually have a comment where they explain it, but I can't find it now.
That makes more sense. His phrasing did not convey that to me but it is probably a me-problem.
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I just wish there wasn't so much sectarianism on fedi. Or maybe it's a good thing that this kind of social dynamic is possible in online world. I don't really know. What I do know is that it's rather annoying to see the instance admin being labeled as reactionary because someone dug up something from five years ago and decided to start a FUD campaing.
Haven't seen anything like that myself, which instance admin are you referring to?
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That makes more sense. His phrasing did not convey that to me but it is probably a me-problem.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Yeah as Blaze said, multiple conversations spaced apart. The first one I mentioned it, the second they told me they didn't like it, either the second or perhaps now a third they actively chide me for having mentioned it.
I did not realize that a Google search pulls up lemmy.ml. Fwiw, DuckDuckGo pulls up lemmy.world instead, as its top hit. Lemmy.world at the time had 80% of all Threadiverse users on it, but Lemmy.ml has legacy, and Google's search algorithm prioritized it over lemmy.world or some other webpage, like an explanatory one.
I also did not realize that, when you click the link to go there, lemmy.ml shows only Local rather than Global results by default, to someone without an account on it.
Combined together, a non-technical normal person is going to Google "Lemmy", and to the extent they don't find the actor, will see images that mostly portray how people who own stock or even simply store money in a bank account should literally, not figuratively but literally, be killed / beheaded (/ guillotined / Luigi'd, however you want to say it). Usually within the first 2-5 pages of posts too, and especially anytime that there is any election going on in a Western nation, the bOtH sIdEs SaMe campaigns are out in full force. Lemmy is pretty extreme - you can block it all, but when you simply Google Lemmy and see lemmy.ml's Local rather than Global content, the bOtH sIdEs SaMe content is extremely prevalent.
e.g. this one that just prior to the USA elections, subtly hints that Kamala Harris might not be the best choice to vote for:
Edit: regardless of whether the evidence fully supports their 2nd-hand assertion or not, my own statement is that 100% of the people that I have tried to introduce Lemmy to irl have actively chided me for its "extreme leftist" content. Of course, Reddit is somewhat leftist itself, so I feel that it is not quite a fair comparison, but it is something to be aware of. The definition of a "Nazi bar" is that regardless of whether we ourselves are Nazis, we allow such here and that makes people uncomfortable - although in our case not totalitarian right-wing fascists but totalitarian left-wing fascists instead (who claim to be socialist, seemingly without knowing what that word means). I probably should use less inflammatory language here, but my point is that "Lemmy" makes people uncomfortable. And rightly so, as the very name itself has a history.
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Alright I'll bite: https://yonkersobserver.com/early-results-show-a-red-shift-across-the-u-s/
Proof almost all the us moved right in the last election.
https://www.statista.com/chart/6852/seats-held-by-far-right-parties-in-europe/
Proof of my Europe claim.
Here's the important charts for ya
Prove me wrong
See, you don't read.
Me: I don't need to prove anything to you.
You: Prove me wrong.
Like, no. You can't even read and parse one paragraph, and you want me to compile a bunch of research you won't understand? You want me to explain the difference between a scant majority of the population who decided to and were permitted to vote and a vast majority of all people everywhere to someone who struggles with basic reading? What a laugh.
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violence as a means to an end, pragmatically, has enormous costs,
The people I'm talking about (the worst ones) don't even have an "end." No plan at all. The violence is the end. It's pure stupidity. I see it as the lust for violence, coming up with some politics to justify itself.
I agree. Its very frustrating, as someone who cares deeply about trying to do anything I can to find a future for myself in the increasingly broken status quo the US is devolving into (and has been in for a long time, albiet to a lesser extreme)
But don't you worry, they'll tell themselves the whole while that they're the righteous one for advocating wanton violence. I want off this ride
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Doing well, thanks!
Ya love to hear it
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See, you don't read.
Me: I don't need to prove anything to you.
You: Prove me wrong.
Like, no. You can't even read and parse one paragraph, and you want me to compile a bunch of research you won't understand? You want me to explain the difference between a scant majority of the population who decided to and were permitted to vote and a vast majority of all people everywhere to someone who struggles with basic reading? What a laugh.
Shifting the goalposts.
I made 2 claims u said I was wrong because my claims where wrong I proved my claims where true. Now ur refusing to provide evidence to support your claims. Engage in good faith. Stop being a hypocrite. Have some honour lest I lose what little respect I used to have for u.
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Shifting the goalposts.
I made 2 claims u said I was wrong because my claims where wrong I proved my claims where true. Now ur refusing to provide evidence to support your claims. Engage in good faith. Stop being a hypocrite. Have some honour lest I lose what little respect I used to have for u.
You seem to be confused. This isn't a debate.
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I would say so, worst case scenario it's a false positive, best case you identified a bug!
Okay, created!
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What. I see so much [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] etc.
And I wouldnβt call them fragmented, all on the same instance.
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Yeah we do have a lot of people who feel it's more important to demonstrate their anger than to figure out what people could do to improve the problems.
Worse still, a lot of people seem to have convinced themselves that whatever makes it most clear they're angry and hurts the people they disagree with the most is actually what's most productive. The anger about the state of things, particularly in the US is entirely valid. The self-justification of behaviours that burn bridges and radicalize more people is not.
If you want to implement any kind of solution you do, necessarily have to have a critical mass of people who agree with you, and you cannot build that by antagonizing anyone who doesn't already share your exact flavour of left wing ideology, and acting in a way that reflects poorly on your ideology to everyone except people who already agree with you
Very rarely is anyone willing to confront that violence as a means to an end, pragmatically, has enormous costs, and that employing it just because you're (justifiably) angry, is almost always detrimental to the exact abouts you're mad about
(Sorry, I know I kinda went off track from exactly what you were talking about, this is just a closely related huge frustration of mine)
Enshittification often serves as a driver towards that behavior. However, while this platform has attempted to leave the former behind, it is not always so simple to actually accomplish that lofty goal. i.e. even if the ultimate disease is now cured, the symptoms themselves still persist, feeding forward by influencing others to continue with those old, bad habits.
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Tbh I'm not even sure what the right and left wing means or believes anymore.
Both terms have been so utterly corrupted and coopted that they have become meaningless to the point of simply being a term used to other one group by the other.
Well that's the problem everyone thinks they are exactly the minimum amount of left and that anyone right of them is a facist. If someone is continuously called a fascist Nazi eventually they will listen.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it" - Joseph Goebbels
Australia wasn't so much on the extreme of Americans but we are getting there. Interestingly both the right wing and the extreme left got fucked in our most recent election. Mind u I'm not happy with the current federal government they are introducing a pre capital gains tax on everyone's savings.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I can appreciate how twisted and emotionally charged the labels have become. As a queer(-ish, it's complicated) person in the US, it is not uncommon for right wing spaces on reddit to offhandedly describe me and all the people I care about as groomers. Thats not a good faith discussion of whether the way that I want to see problems solved is productive, it's just dehumanizing people because they're minorities.
I don't want to be around that. I think it is extremely important to have conversations with people you don't agree with, and I still have very little emotional capacity to engage with people that far away from me in terms of what's considered an acceptable way to engage with other humans.
I don't wish them death and dismemberment or for them to face violent retribution (and before people take issue with that, that would radicalize people and harm every single cause I care about, making every problem I'm facing worse. Even just purely pragmatically that's a horrible way to solve our problems like 99% of the time), but I don't wish to share space with them, I don't have that in me.
The left does absolutely have an issue with calling anyone we dont like a Nazi, which is a painful problem to confront due to the fact that our government is descending into outright fascism, and it is now infinitely harder to have a conversation about the fact that this is what fascism looks like now that the word has been so diluted as to be almost meaningless. It essentially just conveys "I really really really don't like that person" at this point, which is a big difference from "this person is framing minorities as responsible for all that ails society to gain power while stripping us of our freedoms and amassing personal power and currying favor with billionaires by selling them our institutions at all or our expense"
I'm curious, how did both the left and right get fucked in the recent election? I'm pretty much entirely unfamiliar with Australian politics save for a couple friendly jordies videos
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Last post then 10 days ago, [email protected] has 2 from today
Last post 1 month ago, [email protected] has 2 posts from today
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] do you maybe want to try to reach out to the .ml and LW communities to see if they could redirect to your communities?
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Okay, created!
Thank you!
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I disagree it's fun, at this rate by 2035 we'll need to pay users to use lemmy
Extrapolating is also a hobby of mine
By 2035 we could be under water, or all living in a radioactive hellscape. And the argument of paying people to use a free service breaks logic.
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Last post then 10 days ago, [email protected] has 2 from today
Last post 1 month ago, [email protected] has 2 posts from today
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] do you maybe want to try to reach out to the .ml and LW communities to see if they could redirect to your communities?
I'm not a mod of the feddit.uk equivalent so it's not up to me, but I'd be cautious about doing so. I have lemmy.ml blocked so I can't see their posts or comments, but I'm a bit wary about their users, it would be like redirecting a unitedkingdom community from hexbear or grad.
Yeah we can reach out to the mods there and see if they'd want to redirect to us.
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I'm not a mod of the feddit.uk equivalent so it's not up to me, but I'd be cautious about doing so. I have lemmy.ml blocked so I can't see their posts or comments, but I'm a bit wary about their users, it would be like redirecting a unitedkingdom community from hexbear or grad.
Yeah we can reach out to the mods there and see if they'd want to redirect to us.
Yeah we can reach out to the mods there and see if theyβd want to redirect to us.
Thanks!
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But usage is not going downwards. Check these stats out: https://fediverse.observer/stats
MAU has been steady at 1.1 million since this time last year.
Within the fediverse there are some platforms that are losing ground and some that are growing.
But pretty much everything else is growing... I am generalising but surely by now there should be way more than 1.1 million. This is what I mean, I see less now than I have before over the Fediverse not more (content, people,reactions)
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Didn't the UK recently have a controversial online safety act or something? And didn't many servers defederate UK servers as result?
UK and EU are way ahead the US (for example) on online safety - Meta is despised over here by government and they owe billions in fines they just tie it all up in legal complaints that last years
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Social media is kinda washed up. A lot of people are on substack, too. The internet as a place is just less popular, I think. We're all getting sick of it.
I left substack - terrible platform that just seems unnecessary
