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Should English stay the lingua franca of Europe?

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  • C [email protected]

    It's a fun text, but let's be real; There is absolutely no possiblity of German being the official language of the European Union. Those of us in Europe who communicate across borders do so in English, not German.

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    People in Germany tend to prefer English if they figure out you're better at it, even.

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    • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.worksC [email protected]

      Spoken English and written English are two different languages that have different features and different design flaws.

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      And one of the flaws of written English is that is has no spoken equivalent, haha!

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        There were many lingua francas of which French was supposedly the first global lingua franca. That changed and it became English (from what I understand). We will probably see another language become the lingua franca, so my question is: should it be English? Are there better candidates out there? Why / why not?

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        The Lingua Franca didn't change because someone decided to change it, it slowly happened. You could argue it would be nice for EU if the (local) Lingua Franca would be the language of a large member state, but I don't see it happening by force. Probably better to just leave it to be English, even if the Irish are the only native speakers in the EU.

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          There were many lingua francas of which French was supposedly the first global lingua franca. That changed and it became English (from what I understand). We will probably see another language become the lingua franca, so my question is: should it be English? Are there better candidates out there? Why / why not?

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          G'day from Australia, please don't cut our borderless monolingual Island off. Kiwi's probably feel similar too.

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            G'day from Australia, please don't cut our borderless monolingual Island off. Kiwi's probably feel similar too.

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            Don't kid yourself, if you would speak English over there, how come I barely understood this Australian who told me he's been "leggin' it barefoot since he stacked it near the servo and now he's flat out like a lizard drinkin' and tryin' to find a dunny before he cops a fair dinkum blue".

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              It made us Brits lazy. There's little reason for people to learn other languages due to English being so popular as a second language.

              Don't get me wrong, there are people. But I don't know many people that can speak other languages.

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              I'm now over 10 years out of school where i learned english and started to learn another language. Now with an adult brain it is quite facinating to self observe how the brain is slowly rewired to adopt to the new language and how the longer you stay on track the faster the learning becomes.

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                There were many lingua francas of which French was supposedly the first global lingua franca. That changed and it became English (from what I understand). We will probably see another language become the lingua franca, so my question is: should it be English? Are there better candidates out there? Why / why not?

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                We should start using Toki Pona.

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                  I’m learning German now and it’s insanely logical. I’m angry people dissuaded me as a kid from learning German. I truly love the language and Germans are also very kind.

                  Side note: are there any German communities on Lemmy you know of? I’d like to join. I’m a fan of Staiy and Spacefrogs.

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                  Try the server: Feddit.org, there are some groups in German.

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                    It's horrible how many German nouns have a female or male gender. Like a lamp is female for some reason, but not if it's a spot or a chandelier or whatever. This is so stupid and has to be memorized. Why is a bottle female, but not if it's a flat flask.

                    ... and French is even more silly.

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                    The wrong use of "der/die/das" in German does not really bother. Everyone will understand the sentence if it's done wrong. Since there is no rule to be derived as to how to use the article correctly, you simply have to learn it with the word itself like in other languages, too. (Why is a car a "female" in French? "La voiture" - I won't ever understand, also in Swedish: "en" or "ett" words eg. "vatten" .) There are some rules in German, like ending on "-er" is often a "male" word, but not consistent... It's only a clue. But sometimes it doesn't matter at all: "der Joghurt", "die Joghurt", "das Joghurt" - all genders are correct, so just try. 😂

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                      The wrong use of "der/die/das" in German does not really bother. Everyone will understand the sentence if it's done wrong. Since there is no rule to be derived as to how to use the article correctly, you simply have to learn it with the word itself like in other languages, too. (Why is a car a "female" in French? "La voiture" - I won't ever understand, also in Swedish: "en" or "ett" words eg. "vatten" .) There are some rules in German, like ending on "-er" is often a "male" word, but not consistent... It's only a clue. But sometimes it doesn't matter at all: "der Joghurt", "die Joghurt", "das Joghurt" - all genders are correct, so just try. 😂

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                      But it could be worse: "Czech, Slovak and Rusyn: Masculine animate, Masculine inanimate, Feminine, Neuter (traditionally, only masculine, feminine and neuter genders are recognized, with animacy as a separate category for the masculine)."

                      😳

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                        There were many lingua francas of which French was supposedly the first global lingua franca. That changed and it became English (from what I understand). We will probably see another language become the lingua franca, so my question is: should it be English? Are there better candidates out there? Why / why not?

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                        A common language serves common communication. As a happenstance of history that turned out to be English. Changing it would be enormously costly and hinder cooperation. Aside from that, learning English is useful as it's more or less commonly understood in almost every country in the world.

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                          The wrong use of "der/die/das" in German does not really bother. Everyone will understand the sentence if it's done wrong. Since there is no rule to be derived as to how to use the article correctly, you simply have to learn it with the word itself like in other languages, too. (Why is a car a "female" in French? "La voiture" - I won't ever understand, also in Swedish: "en" or "ett" words eg. "vatten" .) There are some rules in German, like ending on "-er" is often a "male" word, but not consistent... It's only a clue. But sometimes it doesn't matter at all: "der Joghurt", "die Joghurt", "das Joghurt" - all genders are correct, so just try. 😂

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                          It's definitely "der Joghurt" tho.

                          fite me

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                            We should start using Toki Pona.

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                            I want to learn this. So cool

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                              I want to learn this. So cool

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                              It's super easy to learn, but extremely hard to express stuff with.

                              To say "I love bricks" you'd say "poki loje lon sinpin li poki tawa" which translates directly to "red box on wall is lovely to me".

                              A vid by Half as Interesting on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d6bGAw5yt8

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                                There were many lingua francas of which French was supposedly the first global lingua franca. That changed and it became English (from what I understand). We will probably see another language become the lingua franca, so my question is: should it be English? Are there better candidates out there? Why / why not?

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                                The Year of Esperanto is finally upon us! Bonan Matenon, Europe!

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                                • A [email protected]

                                  There were many lingua francas of which French was supposedly the first global lingua franca. That changed and it became English (from what I understand). We will probably see another language become the lingua franca, so my question is: should it be English? Are there better candidates out there? Why / why not?

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                                  Having a big economy who's inhabitants never have to invest time into learn another language is a huge advantage for this economy. It's not a level playing field. Today there is no reason to still support English. In Europe we should use Esperanto or another easy to learn equivalent.

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                                    A common language serves common communication. As a happenstance of history that turned out to be English. Changing it would be enormously costly and hinder cooperation. Aside from that, learning English is useful as it's more or less commonly understood in almost every country in the world.

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                                    It's not a happenstance, the British colonized half the planet and refused to conduct government business in anything other than English. Then the US decided to play world police and economic hegemon. Europe followed as a matter of financial necessity duo to globalization.

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                                      There were many lingua francas of which French was supposedly the first global lingua franca. That changed and it became English (from what I understand). We will probably see another language become the lingua franca, so my question is: should it be English? Are there better candidates out there? Why / why not?

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                                      It never was 😹😹😹😹😹

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                                        It never was 😹😹😹😹😹

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                                        You realise you wrote this in English don't you?

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                                          It's not a happenstance, the British colonized half the planet and refused to conduct government business in anything other than English. Then the US decided to play world police and economic hegemon. Europe followed as a matter of financial necessity duo to globalization.

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                                          But it could've easily been French (or some other language) that ended up in the same position.

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