This new 40TB hard drive from Seagate is just the beginning—50TB is coming fast!
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Is this true? I remember them being very reliable in the past.
I think people say this because there was one specific 6TB model that does really poorly in BackBlaze reports, combined with a generally poor understanding of statistics ("I bought a Seagate and it failed but I've never had a WD fail").
I will also point out that BackBlaze themselves consistently say that Seagate and WD are pretty much the same (apart from the one model), in those exact same reports
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Yeah I would not touch RAID 5 in this day and age, it's just not safe enough and there's not much of an upside to it when SSDs of large capacity exist. RAID 1 mirror is fast enough with SSDs now, or you could go RAID 10 to amplify speed.
When setting up RAID1 instead of RAID5 means an extra few thousand dollars of cost, RAID5 is fine thank you very much. Also SSDs in the size many people need are not cheap, and not even a thing at a consumer level.
5x10TB WD Reds here. SSD isn’t an option, neither is RAID1. My ISP is going to hate me for the next few months after I set up backblaze haha
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When setting up RAID1 instead of RAID5 means an extra few thousand dollars of cost, RAID5 is fine thank you very much. Also SSDs in the size many people need are not cheap, and not even a thing at a consumer level.
5x10TB WD Reds here. SSD isn’t an option, neither is RAID1. My ISP is going to hate me for the next few months after I set up backblaze haha
But have you had to deal with the rebuild of one of those when a drive fails? It sucks waiting for a really long time wondering if another drive is going to fail causing complete data loss.
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But have you had to deal with the rebuild of one of those when a drive fails? It sucks waiting for a really long time wondering if another drive is going to fail causing complete data loss.
Not a 10TB one yet, thankfully, but did a 4TB in my old NAS recently after it started giving warnings. It was a few days iirc. Not ideal but better than the thousands of dollars it would cost to go to RAID1. I’d love RAID1, but until we get 50TB consumer drives for < $1k it’s not happening.
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I can't wait to lose even more data when this thing bricks
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Best to get at least 2 so you have a backup
Your own lil cloud
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And IIRC moved their headquarters to some Caribbean island to avoid paying US corporate taxes.
They're called Seagate, not Landgate.
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If you aren't running a home server with tons of storage, this product is not for you. If the price is right, 40TB to 50TB is a great upgrade path for massive storage capacity without having to either buy a whole new backplane to support more drives or build an entirely new server. I see a lot of comments comparing 4TB SSDS to 40TB HDD's so had to chime in. Yes, they make massive SSD storage arrays too, but a lot of us don't have those really deep pockets.
I'm still waiting for prices to fall below 10 € per TB. Lost a 4 TB drive prematurely in the 2010s. I thought I could just wait a bit until 8 TB drives cost the same. You know, the same kind of price drops HDDs have always had about every 2 years or so. Then a flood or an earthquake or both happened and destroyed some factories and prices shot up and never recovered.
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I know people love to dunk on Seagate drives, but it was really just the one gen that was the cause of that bad rep. Before that the most hated drives were the "deathstars" (Deskstars). I have a 1TB Seagate drive that is 10 years old and still in use daily. Just do some research on which drive to buy, no OEM is sacrosanct. I'd personally wait 6 months to a year before buying one of these drives though, so enough people have time to find out if this generation is trouble or not.
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I think people say this because there was one specific 6TB model that does really poorly in BackBlaze reports, combined with a generally poor understanding of statistics ("I bought a Seagate and it failed but I've never had a WD fail").
I will also point out that BackBlaze themselves consistently say that Seagate and WD are pretty much the same (apart from the one model), in those exact same reports
Heh. In my case, one WD SSD failed miserably on me.
Thanks for the explanation.
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I know people love to dunk on Seagate drives, but it was really just the one gen that was the cause of that bad rep. Before that the most hated drives were the "deathstars" (Deskstars). I have a 1TB Seagate drive that is 10 years old and still in use daily. Just do some research on which drive to buy, no OEM is sacrosanct. I'd personally wait 6 months to a year before buying one of these drives though, so enough people have time to find out if this generation is trouble or not.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]i dunno man, i have about 20 years worth of bad experiences with seagate. none of their drives have ever been reliable for me. WD drives have always been rock solid and overall just better drives in my experience. I have two WD externals sitting on my desk right now that are almost 15 years old. Still going strong.
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I think people say this because there was one specific 6TB model that does really poorly in BackBlaze reports, combined with a generally poor understanding of statistics ("I bought a Seagate and it failed but I've never had a WD fail").
I will also point out that BackBlaze themselves consistently say that Seagate and WD are pretty much the same (apart from the one model), in those exact same reports
I've had at least 6 seagate drives over the past 20 years. none of them survived more than 2 or 3 years. Meanwhile, i have two almost 15 year old WDs sitting on my desk still going strong.
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Oh thank God, 40,000 gigabytes was not enough
start building a media server. space goes quick. I'm sitting at about 100 TB right now and I'm running out of space.
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Sure. But in my experience Seagate drives are significantly worse. So why spend money on a shit company producing shit drives, if I can spend it on products of another company where I get more use and lifetime out of the product?
the people downvoting you are the inexperienced.
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So let's just trash this company but not recommend something better?
I think you're just wanting to be negative today. I've used WD/Hitachi/Samsung/crucial drives the same way, everything dies. Resilver the data and move on, don't expect drives to last more than a decade at the very most.
You're listing a lot of brands that are mostly known for their ssds / NVME drives. This convo is about mechanical drives. By their very nature, SSDs are bound to be more reliable than HDDs.
However, when it comes to mechanical drives, western digital is waaaaaay more reliable than Seagate. Always has been. Maybe a lot of people don't use mechanical drives anymore, so their frame of reference is skewed -- but seagate makes trash mechanical drives. They have NEVER been reliable when compared to WD.
Anyway Hitachi made/makes shit mechanical drive and Samsung was never really known for HDDs. Crucial only makes solid state drives.
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Seagate Exos is usually ok. Their generic stuff, is sometimes crap, but that's true of all manufacturers, really.
That being said, I'd be nervous with a single huge drive, no matter where it's from. And even as part of a redundant structure, the rebuild times would be through the roof.
exos are fine if you don't mind them being loud as hell.
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Imagine how long it’ll take to rebuild your raid array after one fails lol
wrote on last edited by [email protected]underrated comment. i'd much rather clone a 16 tb drive than 50 tb one. Also better speeds considering the use of more drives. That said, if I can save on electricity, noise, enclosure space, and very importantly, money, it could be pretty cool. Just need to wait and see how reliable these things are and if they are going to carry a price point that makes them make sense.
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start building a media server. space goes quick. I'm sitting at about 100 TB right now and I'm running out of space.
My 14TB are almost full but I can't fathom what you'd use 100TB on??
8K ultra high def 3D hentai?
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My 14TB are almost full but I can't fathom what you'd use 100TB on??
8K ultra high def 3D hentai?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Right now I have about 3000 movies, mostly 4k, and about 500 TV shows. As well as a pretty massive music library. No room for the hentai.
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i dunno man, i have about 20 years worth of bad experiences with seagate. none of their drives have ever been reliable for me. WD drives have always been rock solid and overall just better drives in my experience. I have two WD externals sitting on my desk right now that are almost 15 years old. Still going strong.
It’s all anecdotal for the most part. I’ve had two DOA WD drives in a row before, but no dead seagates.
As a side note, I hope you have those two WDs backed up, they’re overdue for a death.
