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Everything you say to your Echo will be sent to Amazon starting on March 28.

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  • aynrandlibertarian@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

    I am sorry but the telephony system itself is fundamentally a privacy threat.

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    Wait till you find out about the internet and social media (including here).

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      Yeah, just avoid the oligarchy tech

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      I agree. Although it’s nearly impossible at this point. Especially with Amazon running a significant portion of the internet with AWS. Each one of us most likely touches an Amazon server multiple times a day, even if we don’t have any Amazon subscriptions.

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        They typed from their device that is also spying on them that they most likely also paid for...

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        Please, sir I have a pager

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        • blackmist@feddit.ukB [email protected]

          You can get them on Amazon.

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          Well played.

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            I mean yeah, but for a lot of people if they ditch their phone they'll also lose their job and possibly relationships they value.

            Cell phones spying on people isn't good, but most people are simply not informed about how invasive they are and couldn't make an informed decision if they tried. Pair that with the fact that cell phones are essential for a lot of modern life, and it's not difficult to see why the average person is generally more wary of smart speakers than cell phones.

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            The whole damn situation was a trap.

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              I agree. Although it’s nearly impossible at this point. Especially with Amazon running a significant portion of the internet with AWS. Each one of us most likely touches an Amazon server multiple times a day, even if we don’t have any Amazon subscriptions.

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              That doesn't matter. You only need to worry about boycotting things within your control, like Amazon shopping and their consumer products. AWS is profitable, but so is Amazon.com.

              Buying something at a different store is always a dub even if that store is using AWS on the backend.

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              • tea@programming.devT [email protected]

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                Alexa! Install Linux!

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                  the irony of posting an amazon link...

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                  They create a problem, then sell the solution.

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                  • archmageazor@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                    My mom has one of those Google ones, I hate it.

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                    My brother and a buddy both have Alexas. And yeah, I hate being anywhere near the thing.

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                      I agree. Although it’s nearly impossible at this point. Especially with Amazon running a significant portion of the internet with AWS. Each one of us most likely touches an Amazon server multiple times a day, even if we don’t have any Amazon subscriptions.

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                      Like the other person said, you can at least control what you interact with directly. So you cancel your Prime subscription and turn your lights with your hand instead of an Echo but you don’t worry so much about trying to figure out if any of the several companies involved in making [product] have some form of attachment to AWS.

                      And there will be some level of consumption in this horrible system that’s not gunna be good in order for you to not be horribly depressed but people can shed more than they think and alternatives do exist for many of the ones you might put at lower priority.

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                        Only a fool would put an Amazon listening device in their home.

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                        These devices are a great help to the elderly and disabled, and Amazon's offerings are the least expensive. My buddies Mom can call emergency services from anywhere in her home with just her voice. I don't think that's foolish at all.

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                          Do the device you wrote this on have a microphone?

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                          None of my devices have one that's lacking a physical switch to disable it.

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                            If anyone else is wondering, I’ve not found a verbatim quote of the steps but I did see an article that mentioned the consequences. It seems like you will be able to turn this off but it will disable Voice ID:

                            anyone with their Echo device set to “Don’t save recordings” will see their already-purchased devices’ Voice ID feature bricked. Voice ID enables Alexa to do things like share user-specified calendar events, reminders, music, and more. Previously, Amazon has said that "if you choose not to save any voice recordings, Voice ID may not work." As of March 28, broken Voice ID is a guarantee for people who don't let Amazon store their voice recordings.

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                            The old "privacy focused" setting made speech processing local. The new "privacy focused setting" means that processing will happen on a remote server, but Amazon won't store the audio after it's been processed. Amazon could still fingerprint voices with the new setting, to know if it was you or your parents/parter/kid/roommate/whomever and give a person specific response, but for now at least they appear to not be doing so.

                            This all seems like it's missing the point to me. If you own one of these devices you're giving up privacy for convenience. With the old privacy setting you were still sending your processed speech to a server nearly every time you interacted with one of those devices because they can't always react/provide a response on their own. Other than trying to avoid voice fingerprinting, it doesn't seem like the old setting would gain you much privacy. They still know the device associated to the interaction, know where the device is located, which accounts it's associated with, what the interaction was, etc. They can then fuse this information with tons of other data collected from different devices, like a phone or computer. They don't need your unprocessed speech to know way too much about you.

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                            • kaerypheur@lemmy.worldK [email protected]

                              Alexa! Install Linux!

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                              🔴 I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that.

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                                I agree. Although it’s nearly impossible at this point. Especially with Amazon running a significant portion of the internet with AWS. Each one of us most likely touches an Amazon server multiple times a day, even if we don’t have any Amazon subscriptions.

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                                true, but there's a lot you can do on the hardware side with an arduino-or esp32/pi pico if you need networking.

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                                • blackmist@feddit.ukB [email protected]

                                  You can get them on Amazon.

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                                  You can also buy some on Facebook Marketplace.

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                                    For anyone with existing Home Assistant setup, the Home Assistant Voice Preview is pretty good alternative, when it comes to voice control of HA. The setup is very easy. If you want conversational functionality, you could even hook it up to an LLM, cloud or local. It can also be used for media playback and it's got an aux out port.

                                    I used to use Google Home Mini for voice control of Home Assistant. The Voice Preview replaced that rather nicely.

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                                      There's no way they weren't doing this already.

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                                        What is Alexa. Lol

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                                        • avidamoeba@lemmy.caA [email protected]

                                          For anyone with existing Home Assistant setup, the Home Assistant Voice Preview is pretty good alternative, when it comes to voice control of HA. The setup is very easy. If you want conversational functionality, you could even hook it up to an LLM, cloud or local. It can also be used for media playback and it's got an aux out port.

                                          I used to use Google Home Mini for voice control of Home Assistant. The Voice Preview replaced that rather nicely.

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                                          That's tempting, and not a hideous price either.

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