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Everything you say to your Echo will be sent to Amazon starting on March 28.

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  • jackbydev@programming.devJ [email protected]

    I didn't even know this was a feature. My understanding has always been that Echo devices work as follows.

    1. Store a constant small buffer of the past few seconds of audio
    2. Locally listen for the wake word (typically "Alexa") using onboard hardware. (This is why you cannot use arbitrary wake words.)
    3. Upon hearing the wake word, send the buffer from step one along with any fresh audio to the cloud to process what was said.
    4. Act on what was said. (Turn lights on or off, play Spotify, etc.)

    Unless they made some that were able to do step 3 locally entirely I don't see this as a big deal. They still have to do step 4 remotely.

    Also, while they may be "always recording" they don't transmit everything. It's only so if you say "Alexaturnthelightsoff" really fast it has a better chance of getting the full sentence.

    I'm not trying to defend Amazon, and I don't necessarily think this is great news or anything, but it doesn't seem like too too big of a deal unless they made a lot of devices that could parse all speech locally and I didn't know.

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    It was a non advertised feature only available in the US and in English only

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    • tea@programming.devT [email protected]

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      Maybe I misread the actual text, but it sounds like the exact opposite, that it's going to auto-delete what you say.

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      • tea@programming.devT [email protected]

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        They literally could just leave the feature on the device, but then you can't force your users to send you all their data, voices, thoughts and first borns

        Fuck Amazon, fuck Bezos

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          If anyone remembers the Mycroft Mark II Voice Assistant Kickstarter and was disappointed when development challenges and patent trolls caused the company's untimely demise, know that hope is not lost for a FOSS/OSHW voice assistant insulated from Big Tech..

          FAQ: OVOS, Neon, and the Future of the Mycroft Voice Assistant

          Disclaimer: I do not represent any of these organizations in any way; I just believe in their mission and wish them all the success in getting there by spreading the word.

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          • S [email protected]

            I have one big frustration with that: Your voice input has to be understood PERFECTLY by TTS.

            If you have a "To Do" list, and speak "Add cooking to my To Do list", it will do it! But if the TTS system understood:

            • Todo
            • To-do
            • to do
            • ToDo
            • To-Do
            • ...

            The system will say it couldn't find that list. Same for the names of your lights, asking for the time,..... and you have very little control over this.

            HA Voice Assistant either needs to find a PERFECT match, or you need to be running a full-blown LLM as the backend, which honestly works even worse in many ways.

            They recently added the option to use LLM as fallback only, but for most people's hardware, that means that a big chunk of requests take a suuuuuuuper long time to get a response.

            I do not understand why there's no option to just use the most similar command upon an imperfect matching, through something like the Levenshtein Distance.

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            Because it takes time to implement. It will come.

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              Amazon really got people to pay to be spied on. Wild world we live in bois

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              Who pays for Alexa?

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                Maybe I misread the actual text, but it sounds like the exact opposite, that it's going to auto-delete what you say.

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                They delete the recording from your device....after it has been sent to Amazon to be stored and used limitless.

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                • remembertheapollo_@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                  Who pays for Alexa?

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                  Everyone who didn’t get an echo as a gift, I’d imagine

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                  • remembertheapollo_@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                    Who pays for Alexa?

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                    Plenty of people I know have gotten the little echo dots or the bigger alternative with larger speakers for Christmas or birthdays. Technically they didn't spend money, but their friends and family did.

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                      Want to setup a more privacy friendly solution?

                      Have a look at Home Assistant! It’s a great open source smart home platform that recently released a local (so not processing requests in the cloud) voice assistant. It’s pretty neat!

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                      home assistant is amazing but it is not yet an alternative to Alexa, the assistant/voice is still in development and far from being usable. it’s impossible for me to remember the specific wording assist demands and voice to text is incorrect like nine out of ten times. And this includes giving up on terrible locally hosted models trying out their cloud which obviously is a huge privacy hole, but even then it was slow and inaccurate. It’s a mystery to me how the foss community is so behind on voice, Siri and Google Assistant started working offline years ago, and they work straight on a mobile device.

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                      • tea@programming.devT [email protected]

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                        This is legal, even in the US?

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                          If you do not want to set your voice recordings setting to 'Don't save recordings,' please follow these steps before March 28th:

                          Am I the only one curious to know what these steps are? The image cuts off the rest of the email.

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                            How the fuck does anyone even buy one of these

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                              Plenty of people I know have gotten the little echo dots or the bigger alternative with larger speakers for Christmas or birthdays. Technically they didn't spend money, but their friends and family did.

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                              I see. The initial purchase price is the “payment”. I thought the intimation was some sort of subscription to use Alexa. My bad.

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                              • tea@programming.devT [email protected]

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                                Just sold my 3 devices and shut down Amazon account. It's very liberating and I don't miss it one bit. Have Home Assistant and a couple of really good 2nd hand Sonos speakers.

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                                  This is legal, even in the US?

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                                  "Even in the US" seems to imply stronger customer and privacy protections on the US.

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                                    "Even in the US" seems to imply stronger customer and privacy protections on the US.

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                                    "This is legal, even there?" sounds pretty "legal bad there" to me.

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                                    • richardisaguy@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                                      How the fuck does anyone even buy one of these

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                                      The same people who buy mobile phones; despite those being bugs/spy-devices.

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                                      • hungprocess@lemmy.sdf.orgH [email protected]

                                        Nobody working on the inside has ever leaked anything regarding this potentially massive breach of privacy? A perfectly secret conspiracy by everyone involved?

                                        I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but...

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                                        There's also this

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                                        • R [email protected]

                                          "Even in the US" seems to imply stronger customer and privacy protections on the US.

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                                          "Leopards can eat people's faces, even in the US?"

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