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Russia has depleted its tank stocks: the industry is not covering combat losses

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  • I [email protected]

    Ditto for the su-57 felon.

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    Why is it impossible for a squadron of F-22s to defeat a squadron of SU-57s?

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    Russia would have to actually build a squadron first

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      We have to keep in mind that Europe needs to justify austerity for the citizens and rearmament for their militaries. I have no evidence of this, but I think it's an entierly sensible read that the warning from Germany is an overstatement with that intent in mind.

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      Yes, because it will impact social programs. That hardship needs to be justified.

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        That's because you're not thinking like Putin. Starting this war in the first place was the worst possible idea that never made any sense, except it allowed Putin to reform the slipping grip on the country and cemented his regime and his vision for at least some time. But just like the empires of old, now his regime requires constant slow boiling war to operate.
        He will happily sacrifice every Russian to this, he can easily afford losing a thousand men per day to the grinder. It costs very little to him. European countries on the other hand will be very very hurt by the war on their territory, and everyone understands it.

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        Starting this war in the first place was the worst possible idea that never made any sense

        It made sense to the NATO strategists who recommended to not expand NATO further, because of that war.

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        • S [email protected]

          The rubel is massively devalued. PPP calculations have to be taken with a grain of salt.

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          The rubel is massively devalued

          The ruble's exchange rate is on the level of 2020-2021: 0,011 euro to the ruble. Shows how much you know.

          Also, most of the military production is internal... so the exchange rate of the ruble is meaningless to determine relative military strength, which is precisely why a PPP conversion is needed.

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          • spacecadet@feddit.nlS [email protected]

            The rubel is massively devalued

            The ruble's exchange rate is on the level of 2020-2021: 0,011 euro to the ruble. Shows how much you know.

            Also, most of the military production is internal... so the exchange rate of the ruble is meaningless to determine relative military strength, which is precisely why a PPP conversion is needed.

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            #170

            Right, I was too lazy to check.

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            • S [email protected]

              The Partnership: The Secret History of the War in Ukraine
              https://lemmy.world/post/27574354

              NYT article explains it.

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              Heavy stuff.

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              • setsneedtofeed@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                I don't think there was a good option that was also realistic.
                The T-90M is itself a long in the tooth design that hasn't gotten the kinds of modernizations that tanks like the Abrams have to keep it relevant (and even then the Abrams is already being retired by the U.S.) Russian tanks needed an overhaul from the T-90M.

                The T-14 on paper had a lot of good upgrades. The problem of course being that it's much easier to draw something than make it work.

                What Russian tanks needed was an overhaul to their fire control and ideally their protection to keep up and shift into active protection. The ancient curtain system is not cutting it.

                Part of my wonders if maybe they should have invested in something scaled back and novel. Make a lightweight vehicle like the totally-not-a-tank-we-swear M10 Booker. Something lightweight, with a smaller caliber main gun to focus on taking out structures and infantry targets. Stick some active protection on it, and some missiles and you've got a vehicle that bridges that gap between IFV and MBT.

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                From my very limited understanding that's kinda what they tried with the BMD lineup. Problem is because they're for airborne use they end up too light to protect anything, and loaded with ATGMs, a 100mm cannon, and a 30mm for squirting lighter targets. Basically on first hit it goes up like a Christmas tree lol

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                  Artikel 42 EU treaty. All members of the EU have to fight with their full capacity. This will escalate quickly.

                  There are already EU troops in the Baltics, just to remind the Russans of it.

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                  You should read Article 42.

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                  • mubelotix@jlai.luM [email protected]

                    Russia was ridiculed by a very small army. It does not stand against NATO

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                    Ukraine isn’t a very small army. They’re the second largest army in Europe.

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                    • C [email protected]

                      That’s what APCs and lighter infantry vehicles are for. They’re not going away. It’s main battle tanks (the ones that cost millions of dollars) that are going away.

                      Moving troops around in safety is going to be extremely challenging but that’s because of enemy drones, not enemy tanks. Drones can fly recon around a moving personnel carrier just as easily as planes fly recon around an aircraft carrier.

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                      I haven’t seen a single high ranking general or military strategist that suggests MBTs are going away. It’s just badly informed people on the internet that watched a couple of YT drone clips and think they’ve mastered the art of warfare.

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                        We have to keep in mind that Europe needs to justify austerity for the citizens and rearmament for their militaries. I have no evidence of this, but I think it's an entierly sensible read that the warning from Germany is an overstatement with that intent in mind.

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                        I guess you need to pretend there's a threat NOW in order to divert funds towards defense now.

                        If the threat is in more like 10 years, why don't we start investing next year instead? etc.

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                          I still can’t believe how fucking shameless their regime is with those “prizes”. Like… holy fuck.

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                          It's about search engine squatting, if you now search "Russia meatgrinder" you get that, instead of articles about losing the war.

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                            Tanks have not been very useful relative to their expense in the age of drones.

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                            Kinda what happened to battleships in the era of aircraft carriers and submarines?

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                            • K [email protected]

                              This is essentially where they are, improvised vehicles. They don't have the right vehicles for the job anymore, or at least not enough of them. So other vehicles are being improvised to kinda fit the desired role. There will not be a single event where you can say they are out of X vehicle class now. But what they have will be increasingly shit.

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                              It’s not better on the Ukrainian side though.

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                              • I [email protected]

                                Europe does nothing.

                                European countries combined are already spending more money on war than russia. European countries have a big arms industry already and they export weapons all over the world, including to countries ruled by dictatorships like saudi arabia. They even sold weapons to russia in the past years that are being used in the ukraine war.

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                                You are misinformed.

                                https://breakingdefense.com/2025/02/russia-overtakes-all-of-europe-on-defense-spending-in-key-metric-iiss-military-balance/

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                                  I still can’t believe how fucking shameless their regime is with those “prizes”. Like… holy fuck.

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                                  I mean it is so ridiculous on so many levels but also the gifts themselves are so absurd. If some of their high up elites just skipped a single dinner, they could probably buy something that is worth 10x more. The ruling class became so addicted to their money that they can't even sacrifice a minute fraction of it for proper propaganda lol.

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                                    It's about search engine squatting, if you now search "Russia meatgrinder" you get that, instead of articles about losing the war.

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                                    Lmfao this is hilariously logical and I bet it’s actually the reason

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                                    • V [email protected]

                                      This right here.

                                      People prefer to read "Russian army COLLAPSE, Putin so angry 😡😡😡!!"

                                      Than:

                                      "Further logistical problems might slow down the russian advances in the coming months."

                                      Then complain that they are ill informed.

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                                      Do they really though? That's what writers want to write because it gets them views - the malaise of modern media. I'm 'people', I want the sober facts.

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                                        Do they really though? That's what writers want to write because it gets them views - the malaise of modern media. I'm 'people', I want the sober facts.

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                                        Me too for sure.

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                                          Tanks have not been very useful relative to their expense in the age of drones.

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                                          And yet, moving the front is almost impossible without them. All vehicles struggle with drones but at least tanks won't go down from machine gun fire, and without vehicles were pretty much back to WW1 tactics, fighting over inches.

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