Russia has depleted its tank stocks: the industry is not covering combat losses
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Russia was ridiculed by a very small army. It does not stand against NATO
Ukraine isn’t a very small army. They’re the second largest army in Europe.
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That’s what APCs and lighter infantry vehicles are for. They’re not going away. It’s main battle tanks (the ones that cost millions of dollars) that are going away.
Moving troops around in safety is going to be extremely challenging but that’s because of enemy drones, not enemy tanks. Drones can fly recon around a moving personnel carrier just as easily as planes fly recon around an aircraft carrier.
I haven’t seen a single high ranking general or military strategist that suggests MBTs are going away. It’s just badly informed people on the internet that watched a couple of YT drone clips and think they’ve mastered the art of warfare.
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We have to keep in mind that Europe needs to justify austerity for the citizens and rearmament for their militaries. I have no evidence of this, but I think it's an entierly sensible read that the warning from Germany is an overstatement with that intent in mind.
I guess you need to pretend there's a threat NOW in order to divert funds towards defense now.
If the threat is in more like 10 years, why don't we start investing next year instead? etc.
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I still can’t believe how fucking shameless their regime is with those “prizes”. Like… holy fuck.
It's about search engine squatting, if you now search "Russia meatgrinder" you get that, instead of articles about losing the war.
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Kinda what happened to battleships in the era of aircraft carriers and submarines?
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This is essentially where they are, improvised vehicles. They don't have the right vehicles for the job anymore, or at least not enough of them. So other vehicles are being improvised to kinda fit the desired role. There will not be a single event where you can say they are out of X vehicle class now. But what they have will be increasingly shit.
It’s not better on the Ukrainian side though.
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Europe does nothing.
European countries combined are already spending more money on war than russia. European countries have a big arms industry already and they export weapons all over the world, including to countries ruled by dictatorships like saudi arabia. They even sold weapons to russia in the past years that are being used in the ukraine war.
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I still can’t believe how fucking shameless their regime is with those “prizes”. Like… holy fuck.
I mean it is so ridiculous on so many levels but also the gifts themselves are so absurd. If some of their high up elites just skipped a single dinner, they could probably buy something that is worth 10x more. The ruling class became so addicted to their money that they can't even sacrifice a minute fraction of it for proper propaganda lol.
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It's about search engine squatting, if you now search "Russia meatgrinder" you get that, instead of articles about losing the war.
Lmfao this is hilariously logical and I bet it’s actually the reason
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This right here.
People prefer to read "Russian army COLLAPSE, Putin so angry
!!"Than:
"Further logistical problems might slow down the russian advances in the coming months."
Then complain that they are ill informed.
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Do they really though? That's what writers want to write because it gets them views - the malaise of modern media. I'm 'people', I want the sober facts.
Me too for sure.
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And yet, moving the front is almost impossible without them. All vehicles struggle with drones but at least tanks won't go down from machine gun fire, and without vehicles were pretty much back to WW1 tactics, fighting over inches.
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You are misinformed.
European countries combined do indeed spend more money on war than russia. What the article you posted claim is that adjusted to their buying power russia spend the equivalent of more billions. Even if we compare these adjusted spending europe and russia are pretty much there.
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Elsewhere on Lemmy today;
Germany warns Russia may be preparing attack on NATO
Both of these cannot be true.
They don't mean right now, but a few years down the road. After they are finished with Ukraine. This is why it is all the more important to stop them now while they are weak. With their war economy they can rebuild faster than Europe can arms with current industries. Not to mention them gargantuan wsr industry they would get if they occupied Ukraine... That would be a nightmare.
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You are misinformed.
European countries combined do indeed spend more money on war than russia. What the article you posted claim is that adjusted to their buying power russia spend the equivalent of more billions. Even if we compare these adjusted spending europe and russia are pretty much there.
That’s my point. You can’t just compare raw GDP when one country is essentially isolationist. PPP statistics give a more realistic comparison and according to those, Russia spends more then the EU.
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You should read Article 42.
"obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power". Which is far above what being in NATO requires states to do. Which just btw also covers Greenland.
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And yet, moving the front is almost impossible without them. All vehicles struggle with drones but at least tanks won't go down from machine gun fire, and without vehicles were pretty much back to WW1 tactics, fighting over inches.
and without vehicles were pretty much back to WW1 tactics, fighting over inches.
Which is kind of what the war in Ukraine has become.
Maybe one day we'll learn as a species that there is no good way to fight a war and we should just avoid it altogether.
Most of us are just fighting over what the ruling class wants us to fight over, anyways.
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I don't know what to think anymore. I feel like every week for the last 4 years it's been "China's economy is going collapse any day now" and "Russia is losing to many people and resources in this war. They might as well give all of Russia to Ukraine"
I don't take any news written in English with any seriousness for these two countries.
I don’t take any news written in English with any seriousness for these two countries.
Thank you. I'm glad other people are starting to realize that all of our information is fed through an English-speaking filter first.
If we want to see more than what English-speakers have deemed palatable for us, we need to learn different languages.
it's sad how we can't overcome propaganda and at least make an attempt to understand the truth, but it really puts into perspective why I should not respect the vast majority of my peers in the modern day.
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For the price of one tank with cope cages you could buy thousands of drones instead. Tanks are not cost effective anymore. They’re the land equivalent of battleships in an era of aircraft carriers.
I think what people like you are starting to learn is that both are necessary.
A lot about fighting a war is variety. Tanks have their uses, and so do drones.
Trying to argue one can replace the other is stupid and rational adults should not take you seriously as a result.
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I haven’t seen a single high ranking general or military strategist that suggests MBTs are going away. It’s just badly informed people on the internet that watched a couple of YT drone clips and think they’ve mastered the art of warfare.
