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Russia has depleted its tank stocks: the industry is not covering combat losses

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  • I [email protected]

    Europe does nothing.

    European countries combined are already spending more money on war than russia. European countries have a big arms industry already and they export weapons all over the world, including to countries ruled by dictatorships like saudi arabia. They even sold weapons to russia in the past years that are being used in the ukraine war.

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    You are misinformed.

    https://breakingdefense.com/2025/02/russia-overtakes-all-of-europe-on-defense-spending-in-key-metric-iiss-military-balance/

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      I still can’t believe how fucking shameless their regime is with those “prizes”. Like… holy fuck.

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      I mean it is so ridiculous on so many levels but also the gifts themselves are so absurd. If some of their high up elites just skipped a single dinner, they could probably buy something that is worth 10x more. The ruling class became so addicted to their money that they can't even sacrifice a minute fraction of it for proper propaganda lol.

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        It's about search engine squatting, if you now search "Russia meatgrinder" you get that, instead of articles about losing the war.

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        Lmfao this is hilariously logical and I bet it’s actually the reason

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        • V [email protected]

          This right here.

          People prefer to read "Russian army COLLAPSE, Putin so angry 😡😡😡!!"

          Than:

          "Further logistical problems might slow down the russian advances in the coming months."

          Then complain that they are ill informed.

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          Do they really though? That's what writers want to write because it gets them views - the malaise of modern media. I'm 'people', I want the sober facts.

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            Do they really though? That's what writers want to write because it gets them views - the malaise of modern media. I'm 'people', I want the sober facts.

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            Me too for sure.

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              Tanks have not been very useful relative to their expense in the age of drones.

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              And yet, moving the front is almost impossible without them. All vehicles struggle with drones but at least tanks won't go down from machine gun fire, and without vehicles were pretty much back to WW1 tactics, fighting over inches.

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                You are misinformed.

                https://breakingdefense.com/2025/02/russia-overtakes-all-of-europe-on-defense-spending-in-key-metric-iiss-military-balance/

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                You are misinformed.

                European countries combined do indeed spend more money on war than russia. What the article you posted claim is that adjusted to their buying power russia spend the equivalent of more billions. Even if we compare these adjusted spending europe and russia are pretty much there.

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                  Elsewhere on Lemmy today;

                  Germany warns Russia may be preparing attack on NATO

                  Both of these cannot be true.

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                  They don't mean right now, but a few years down the road. After they are finished with Ukraine. This is why it is all the more important to stop them now while they are weak. With their war economy they can rebuild faster than Europe can arms with current industries. Not to mention them gargantuan wsr industry they would get if they occupied Ukraine... That would be a nightmare.

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                  • I [email protected]

                    You are misinformed.

                    European countries combined do indeed spend more money on war than russia. What the article you posted claim is that adjusted to their buying power russia spend the equivalent of more billions. Even if we compare these adjusted spending europe and russia are pretty much there.

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                    That’s my point. You can’t just compare raw GDP when one country is essentially isolationist. PPP statistics give a more realistic comparison and according to those, Russia spends more then the EU.

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                      You should read Article 42.

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                      "obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power". Which is far above what being in NATO requires states to do. Which just btw also covers Greenland.

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                        And yet, moving the front is almost impossible without them. All vehicles struggle with drones but at least tanks won't go down from machine gun fire, and without vehicles were pretty much back to WW1 tactics, fighting over inches.

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                        and without vehicles were pretty much back to WW1 tactics, fighting over inches.

                        Which is kind of what the war in Ukraine has become.

                        Maybe one day we'll learn as a species that there is no good way to fight a war and we should just avoid it altogether.

                        Most of us are just fighting over what the ruling class wants us to fight over, anyways.

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                          I don't know what to think anymore. I feel like every week for the last 4 years it's been "China's economy is going collapse any day now" and "Russia is losing to many people and resources in this war. They might as well give all of Russia to Ukraine"

                          I don't take any news written in English with any seriousness for these two countries.

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                          I don’t take any news written in English with any seriousness for these two countries.

                          Thank you. I'm glad other people are starting to realize that all of our information is fed through an English-speaking filter first.

                          If we want to see more than what English-speakers have deemed palatable for us, we need to learn different languages.

                          it's sad how we can't overcome propaganda and at least make an attempt to understand the truth, but it really puts into perspective why I should not respect the vast majority of my peers in the modern day.

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                            For the price of one tank with cope cages you could buy thousands of drones instead. Tanks are not cost effective anymore. They’re the land equivalent of battleships in an era of aircraft carriers.

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                            I think what people like you are starting to learn is that both are necessary.

                            A lot about fighting a war is variety. Tanks have their uses, and so do drones.

                            Trying to argue one can replace the other is stupid and rational adults should not take you seriously as a result.

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                              I haven’t seen a single high ranking general or military strategist that suggests MBTs are going away. It’s just badly informed people on the internet that watched a couple of YT drone clips and think they’ve mastered the art of warfare.

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                              It’s just badly informed people on the internet that watched a couple of YT drone clips and think they’ve mastered the art of warfare.

                              Describes these forums perfectly.

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                                Covert Cobal has been classifying in mainly 4 categories. Abysmal is the lowest one, and are often missing such minor accessories as the turet, tracks, engines, and wheels. Not to mention having sat outdoors for upwards of 50 years. Those conditions are mostly what they're down to. It might allow for slightly higher throughout on production to start on these rusted husks rather than from raw steel, but it'd definitely be harder and more expensive to make these usable than to build a new tank from scratch.

                                https://youtube.com/@covertcabal

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                                Man, imagine if we had tanks when we were still hunter-gatherers and wild animals were a legitimate danger.

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                                  "obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power". Which is far above what being in NATO requires states to do. Which just btw also covers Greenland.

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                                  If a state decides that what’s in their power is sending 5000 helmets, then nobody will be able to force them to do more.

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                                    I think what people like you are starting to learn is that both are necessary.

                                    A lot about fighting a war is variety. Tanks have their uses, and so do drones.

                                    Trying to argue one can replace the other is stupid and rational adults should not take you seriously as a result.

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                                    They don’t replace each other. Aircraft carriers didn’t replace battleships. It simply made battleships non-viable without a replacement.

                                    What it led to was smaller ships such as corvettes, destroyers, and cruisers taking over the role of battleships but still never replacing them in raw firepower.

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                                      Ukraine isn’t a very small army. They’re the second largest army in Europe.

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                                      You know I didn't mean now

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                                      • E [email protected]

                                        From my very limited understanding that's kinda what they tried with the BMD lineup. Problem is because they're for airborne use they end up too light to protect anything, and loaded with ATGMs, a 100mm cannon, and a 30mm for squirting lighter targets. Basically on first hit it goes up like a Christmas tree lol

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                                        Kind of sort of, but I was thinking more along the lines of the U.S. Army's "MFP" M10. Essentially reviving the light tank but adding some Science on top.

                                        BMDs were still made along the trajectory of IFVs where they can hold troops, and like you mentioned the lighter armor from the airborne desire for use makes them vulnerable even to smaller diameter HEAT rounds.

                                        My vague vision would be something more like a light tank, with enough armor to survive side hits from low 80ish-mm rounds, and very importantly investment in active protection. Maybe even something like the new KF Panther where they have a dedicated drone operator to control a drone that shadows the tank. This all is kind of "if I were king of the world" thought experimenting since of course Russia clearly doesn't have the resources to even make proper upgrades to T90s.

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