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Russia has depleted its tank stocks: the industry is not covering combat losses

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    And yet somehow they will attack nato until 2030, according to the news...

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    Is it that hard to understand? They are barely producing enough to keep up the war in Ukraine, but much compared to some European countries. When the war "ends" end they continue with their war economy for a few years, they are still producing a lot more than the European countries. Russia can continue with their strategy, but some Nato states need to change theirs.

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      I think you hit the nail on the head. Even without drones, they are awful I'm so much of modern warfare. If you've watched any footage out of Gaza you'll see a dude pop up out of tunnel and just completely disable a tank without them ever seeing him. Tanks are quickly going the way of the cannon. In much the same way.

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      Very true. I think the tank, much like the cannon, will still have its own niche use case but isn’t the silver bullet so many armies saw it as. Happens a lot I think

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        Yup. Not because they were out of more modern tanks yet at that point, but because the more modern tanks took longer to refurbish. But now they really are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

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        Yeah, I was wondering. One would suppose 80 yo ordnance is the bottom of the barrel. Thanks for clarifying.

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          I think you hit the nail on the head. Even without drones, they are awful I'm so much of modern warfare. If you've watched any footage out of Gaza you'll see a dude pop up out of tunnel and just completely disable a tank without them ever seeing him. Tanks are quickly going the way of the cannon. In much the same way.

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          That's always been true of city warfare though. Tanks are not designed for that.

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            I don't know what to think anymore. I feel like every week for the last 4 years it's been "China's economy is going collapse any day now" and "Russia is losing to many people and resources in this war. They might as well give all of Russia to Ukraine"

            I don't take any news written in English with any seriousness for these two countries.

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            Unless the Ukrainians have resorted to conscripting great apes, it's "guerilla" rather than "gorilla".

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              It's seriously astonishing that they managed to wear though the entire massive Soviet stockpile.

              Covert Cobal has great tank and apv counting vids, documenting the ever worsening condition of the vehicles remaining.
              https://youtube.com/@covertcabal

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              They actually have a good build rate on tanks as well. It's just ukraine can kill them faster than they can be made. If a ceasefire happens they could replenish their stock quickly.

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                Yeah, the fact that Putin is not really pushing for a ceasefire means that they are not as out-of-stock as the headline suggests...

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                Could just be betting that the US will sit this out no matter what and Europe won't give Ukraine enough weapons to destroy what they can make.

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                  I don't know what to think anymore. I feel like every week for the last 4 years it's been "China's economy is going collapse any day now" and "Russia is losing to many people and resources in this war. They might as well give all of Russia to Ukraine"

                  I don't take any news written in English with any seriousness for these two countries.

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                  it's because with the attention span readers of the news get they expect that collapsing mean in immediate event. Even when everything is set in motion it takes years to finally happen.

                  "How could there be a tsunami , the ocean is virtually gone. No way the waters going to get up here"

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                    And yet somehow they will attack nato until 2030, according to the news...

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                    You don't understand the Russian psyche.

                    They believe they won't be attacking alone, they think the US will at least help, this is their last chance to finally repay Europe for the centuries of humiliation caused by checks notes leaving them to wallow in their own filth.

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                    • m0op0o@mander.xyzM [email protected]

                      t-14s have been exploded

                      Ehhhh, more like they only had like 15 of the things and none where really out of a prototype phase. Not worth sending due to the bad propaganda when they do get blown up (since there has been no tank platform in that conflict that does not get got).

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                      Ditto for the su-57 felon.

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                        Elsewhere on Lemmy today;

                        Germany warns Russia may be preparing attack on NATO

                        Both of these cannot be true.

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                          Elsewhere on Lemmy today;

                          Germany warns Russia may be preparing attack on NATO

                          Both of these cannot be true.

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                          Russia was ridiculed by a very small army. It does not stand against NATO

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                          • I [email protected]

                            Yet we must triple up military budget in case they decide to invade whole europe on empty tanks...

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                            Just leave Lemmy already, you are cancer

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                              Elsewhere on Lemmy today;

                              Germany warns Russia may be preparing attack on NATO

                              Both of these cannot be true.

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                              Have you never worked in an organization?

                              You can have as many preparation meetings as you want and still be on your ass when the day of judgement comes.

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                                Elsewhere on Lemmy today;

                                Germany warns Russia may be preparing attack on NATO

                                Both of these cannot be true.

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                                There are ways Russia can attack that doesn’t include massive tank charges

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                                  Not if Trump has anything to do about it.

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                                  He will restart lend lease to Russia.

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                                    Elsewhere on Lemmy today;

                                    Germany warns Russia may be preparing attack on NATO

                                    Both of these cannot be true.

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                                    Who said the attack would be with conventional armed forces?

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                                      Russia doesn’t even have anymore T34s lol. It’s mostly rusted out T72s and T62s. They made a shit ton of those.

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                                      I think the T55 was their most produced tank.

                                      If it was T72s, those are still good enough to be called MBTs today.

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                                        I don't think "depleted stocks" is good way for saying there are tanks available but not usable but I also don't know what a better wording would be so maybe it's accurate. Thanks for elaborating regardless.

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                                        I guess the point is that big government systems, be they healthcare or military stockpiles don't really ever dramatically reach zero. It's always a slow rot until they are incapable of serving their purpose.

                                        The article makes the point that the Russian military stockpiles are past that point and according to what they say they seem to be.

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                                          Very true. I think the tank, much like the cannon, will still have its own niche use case but isn’t the silver bullet so many armies saw it as. Happens a lot I think

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                                          It never was a silver bullet. They have always been best in open terrain and worst in terrain that allows infantry to hide everywhere.

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