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Russia has depleted its tank stocks: the industry is not covering combat losses

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  • I [email protected]

    Yet we must triple up military budget in case they decide to invade whole europe on empty tanks...

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    Just leave Lemmy already, you are cancer

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      Elsewhere on Lemmy today;

      Germany warns Russia may be preparing attack on NATO

      Both of these cannot be true.

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      #72

      Have you never worked in an organization?

      You can have as many preparation meetings as you want and still be on your ass when the day of judgement comes.

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        Elsewhere on Lemmy today;

        Germany warns Russia may be preparing attack on NATO

        Both of these cannot be true.

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        #73

        There are ways Russia can attack that doesn’t include massive tank charges

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          Not if Trump has anything to do about it.

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          He will restart lend lease to Russia.

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            Elsewhere on Lemmy today;

            Germany warns Russia may be preparing attack on NATO

            Both of these cannot be true.

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            #75

            Who said the attack would be with conventional armed forces?

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              Russia doesn’t even have anymore T34s lol. It’s mostly rusted out T72s and T62s. They made a shit ton of those.

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              #76

              I think the T55 was their most produced tank.

              If it was T72s, those are still good enough to be called MBTs today.

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                I don't think "depleted stocks" is good way for saying there are tanks available but not usable but I also don't know what a better wording would be so maybe it's accurate. Thanks for elaborating regardless.

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                #77

                I guess the point is that big government systems, be they healthcare or military stockpiles don't really ever dramatically reach zero. It's always a slow rot until they are incapable of serving their purpose.

                The article makes the point that the Russian military stockpiles are past that point and according to what they say they seem to be.

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                  Very true. I think the tank, much like the cannon, will still have its own niche use case but isn’t the silver bullet so many armies saw it as. Happens a lot I think

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                  It never was a silver bullet. They have always been best in open terrain and worst in terrain that allows infantry to hide everywhere.

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                    Devils advocate, but given the way they’ve been building metal sheds around the prior tanks and almost completely negating the main gun, a missing turret might just be a weatherproofing issue for the Orks Russians.

                    It’s not like a main gun helps you survive a mobility kill from the umpteenth TM-62 in the dirt that got replanted after the last assault failed.

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                    This is essentially where they are, improvised vehicles. They don't have the right vehicles for the job anymore, or at least not enough of them. So other vehicles are being improvised to kinda fit the desired role. There will not be a single event where you can say they are out of X vehicle class now. But what they have will be increasingly shit.

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                      Have you never worked in an organization?

                      You can have as many preparation meetings as you want and still be on your ass when the day of judgement comes.

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                      "No plan survives first contact" - Helmuth

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                        where's that super next-next-gen Russian Armata thing? is that a ghost tank?

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                          Elsewhere on Lemmy today;

                          Germany warns Russia may be preparing attack on NATO

                          Both of these cannot be true.

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                          #82

                          Russia can't even take over Ukraine, let alone half of NATO to even make it into Germany. I personally think this is just fearmongering on the side of our elected officials so the military industrial complex can make a few more bucks with money from the state.

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                            where's that super next-next-gen Russian Armata thing? is that a ghost tank?

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                            T14 was officially canceled last year citing cost efficiency.

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                            • N [email protected]

                              Unless the Ukrainians have resorted to conscripting great apes, it's "guerilla" rather than "gorilla".

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                              I'm just here hoping it's both. A guerilla fighting gorilla sounds awesome

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                              • L [email protected]

                                Elsewhere on Lemmy today;

                                Germany warns Russia may be preparing attack on NATO

                                Both of these cannot be true.

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                                Russia wouldn't exactly not try, but they have a very 19th century realpolitik take everything and exploit the fuck out of it approach. I would have said that's silly. now, not so sure it isn't working

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                                  T14 was officially canceled last year citing cost efficiency.

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                                  lol it failed

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                                    lol it failed

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                                    It very much did. From the looks of it, it would've been "ok", except a notoriously unreliable srivetrain, and electronics that are almost on par with the rest of the world. However, it couldn't be built without western components, it was ridiculously expensive, couldn't be built at a high enough rate, and not combat proven.

                                    As easy as it is to make fun of russian tanks these days, it does make a lot more sense to focus on T-90 or the likes instead. Hell, t-72m is also a reasonable choice given the circumstances.

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                                      It very much did. From the looks of it, it would've been "ok", except a notoriously unreliable srivetrain, and electronics that are almost on par with the rest of the world. However, it couldn't be built without western components, it was ridiculously expensive, couldn't be built at a high enough rate, and not combat proven.

                                      As easy as it is to make fun of russian tanks these days, it does make a lot more sense to focus on T-90 or the likes instead. Hell, t-72m is also a reasonable choice given the circumstances.

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                                      they should have tried putting all those electronics on a cybertruck. i love to see rich people bullshit AND war profiteering bullshit catch fire

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                                        Unless the Ukrainians have resorted to conscripting great apes, it's "guerilla" rather than "gorilla".

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                                        you said GOR rilla not GUR rilla!

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                                          Elsewhere on Lemmy today;

                                          Germany warns Russia may be preparing attack on NATO

                                          Both of these cannot be true.

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                                          This your first round in front of the firehose of lies?

                                          Best guess: Russia is a paper bear that need to keep growling before the bookworms eat it

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