That's because they're called "teams groups" not "teams for teams"

Whichever version it is, I hope that one day I can delete a mail, change my mind, press ctrl-z and it will actually undo the last delete and not some random one from earlier in the day.

looks cool but unfortunately we can only use approved apps which are mostly within the google ecosystem.

Word and Powerpoint are not the worst - just think about all the time lost due to whatever Microsoft is doing in Teams or by random decisions like moving the start button to the middle instead of leaving it where it was since 1995, which automatically renders every corporate training video obsolete.

As a help desk worker, I am starting to get tired of Microsoft's bullshit.

Try something new and it doesn't work out? Fine. That's reasonable.

But can we stop breaking what was already working?

You should tell Microsoft:
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/teams-channels-overview

This is what happens with innovation when only monopolies are left on the board.

Name an industry, it’s the same. But here’s the dog shit. You still have to give shareholders returns. When you ran out of shit to innovate like 25 years ago, ran out of companies to buy 10 years ago, and already captured the regulatory bodies. Congrats it’s game over.

Except it’s never game over. Just squeeze one side til the toothpaste runs out.

My dad also uses Outlook on hi Android tablet. I don't get it.

In my last job I installed Outlook on my personal phone to access my work calendar conveniently. Found out from a colleague that if the admin for an Outlook server you're signed into on any device fucks up badly enough you could end up having that device completely wiped so I promptly uninstalled it.

At the most basic level? Yeah it works fine. No real complaints.

But the interface is just so goddamn infuriating for anything besides that. I have to stop and think "Wait, how do I do X again" way too often.

I just stopped deleting everything and now use my archive as a trash instead

Yeah, Zoom is the only one I’ve used that makes my computer chug and stutter. Webex and Teams have been fine IME.

Deadnaming done right

Yep, it is straight-up malware. Just like most mail clients on Android and especially iOS.

Laughs is just open in the browser.

Yeah, you're talking about MDM (Mobile Device Management) solutions/tech. I'm not an IT employee myself, but I am familiar with these things from work (similar situation as yours), and also because I'm a nerd and like researching these things.

On some phones, like Samsung's ("Secure Folder"), you can have [essentially] a second, containerized instance of Android running. Or you can think of it like a virtual second user that ultimately you have control of. So what I did was install Outlook in that. Because the MDM permissions (e.g. wipe the phone) would only affect that container.

Otherwise, for everyone else -- yeah don't install work apps/accounts on your personal devices.

Sounds like that's exactly what they're trying to do.

The good news is that Outlook doesn't confuse anybody who hasn't used it in years (or never). Last time I did was when I worked at MS. Hasn't been a problem since.

I used self-hosted rocket chat before, now I use teams, I understand perfectly all the hate

The new M365 Outlook is just webmail. Every upgrade is actually a reduction in functionality as they align to the web version. The good news is this eliminates the need for Windows.