I use control panel enough that i would be seriously pissed if they removed it. Why is it considered bloat?

I got a new job, fully remote, and we use Teams. Not gonna lie, I don’t get the hate. It seems as exactly adequate as WebEx or Zoom. None of them make me cum, none of them make me upset.

What is it about Teams that people hate so much? How does WebEx or Zoom do it any better?

Fully onboard with hating new Outlook though, fuck it sucks. Can’t even browse the global address list, it’s search only.

Settings is the bloat. Control Panel reigns supreme.

Once they drop the real control panel all the useful / advanced configuration will be hidden behind a PowerShell cmdlet you have to Google to find out about! Very streamlined and intuitive.

It uses a fucking inordinate amount of resources to accomplish its task, mostly.

So when my old job had it, about 5 (out of 30) people in my area just couldn't open it.

Not the same five, IT would frequently reinstall it to fix it, but it would just break constantly.

Work computers, very locked down, couldn't do any alternative to it at the time, and we worked remote, so while everyone else had chat, some unfortunate people needed constant updates via email.

The question was who would be SOL, not if someone would be, that day.

As someone that maintains Outlook users, I can’t wait. Dumping decades of garbage code is a godsend.

Most businesses will be fine. The edge case scenarios will bitch and moan but will get over it by the following fiscal quarter.

New outlook will be easier than ever to upgrade. Code security will be better than ever before. Also no more unique software for non-Windows OS’s. OSX and Linux support will be a good feature that’s missing today.

It's utter bollocks. It used to be the OEM crap that had to be removed or clean installed over. Now you have to spend time unfucking fresh installs.

My 11 image is just about usable, but only after a lot of gutting, reg entries, powershell scripts and openshell.

The railroading to sign in with an MS account has become worse too, but still just about bypassable.

Seems like they wanted the web and app version of outlook to work identically. Some things don't work on the web though, so they decided to cut features on the app until they were the same as web. It's just such a corporate move.

Half the shit I actually want I just run directly these days, rather than nosing through either.

• ncpa.cpl
• diskmgmt.msc
• devmgmt.msc
• control userpasswords2
• cmd
• mstsc
• regedit
• taskmgr

Just to name a few.

I’ve also had no issues with Teams and haven’t had coworkers with issues in probably five years. I prefer it significantly over Slack, and my first job was using IBM/Lotus Notes before they switched to teams, that was a clunky nightmare.

I manage teams in a MacOS environment and ive seen teams fail to notify when people get a message or phone call straight up. Ive seen it fail to deliver a message, automatically select audio devices (because it has to use its own selection of audio devices) sharing screens is like watching a slideshow no matter what network you are on, controlling another users computer is even worse. Our headsets are Plantronics “certified for teams” or whatever its called and the mute button sometimes desyncs with the client and the headphones may be muted but the client not or vice verse. Theres much more but im so tired from dealing with teams all day. I also think its just a wildly unintuitive ui, settings are completely strewn across all sections

I'm in the same shoes about new job having to use teams and I wildly disagree. It is awful.

The best part of it is the noise cancellation on the microphone in calls seem pretty good and having a chat created for meetings is a good integration. BUT..

• voice quality significantly decreases as soon as it's more than 2 participants.. you can clearly tell the difference as soon as a 3rd member is invited.
• annotating on the screen share is extremely useful in slack (not sure if zoom has it too), not a thing I could find in teams
• the channels Vs chats separation in the UI is just weird
• the chats don't have threads.. that's such a strong feature to contain conversations. I know the channels kinda serve this purpose but it feels weird to use them and closer to sending an email or posting on a forum than directly talking to someone (with having to write a title and bring presented in 1-2 messages per screen due to the size

Compared to zoom, I guess it's not a big deal really. I'd prefer zoom but it's oh well. Compared to slack (which has it's own set of problems, but still) however it seems like a pile of shit in my opinion.

this entire article is about a single tweet some guy made as a joke

I only use it incidentally but my biggest gripe is the total inability to perform its one function of teleconferencing.

The bit where it lags the audio badly and then speeds it up to catch back up to real-time is absolutely infuriating to listen to, and such a failure of a tool that had. one. job.

That's Electron baby!

The leave button is right next to the share button. That's my biggest complaint.

Teams is annoying because even when you don't use it, it prioritizes itself and opens making it take longer to get to the programs I actually need and use. This is only a few seconds on new computers but can be minutes on older ones. First world problem sure but my computer should run how I want it.

I've also never been able to get the web version to work there's no error code it just doesn't connect. IT doesn't know and the Microsoft guy just said to use the app, which goes back to the above. If it's going to be an app then leave it as an app if you have a web version then maybe it should fucking work.

Teams has live annotations, it's under accessibility settings.

I had to use teams with multiple accounts with multiple organisations. Sometimes my account is added to their organisation, sometimes I used their provided account. Microsoft was going for a one sign in approach and the whole thing just totally failed to account for my situation. It never successfully let me switch accounts, running multiple concurrently certainly never worked.

With one situation the work around was to follow the original organisation invite again, reset my password then proceed with my meeting. I'd do this maybe ten times a day sometimes if I had to bounce between different companies.

And all controls are basic as fuck. It's a business tool that thinks its target market is my grandma. All controls were apple-ified. I'd get a long error code and I couldn't select it to copy and paste it, and if I clicked off the window the notification displaying the error code would go away, so i'd have to print screen the error code, paste out somewhere, and then type it out manually into Google to try and diagnose. This was a singer problem 30 years ago. Why are we going backwards?

Anyway, rant over. It's a pos. Slack is light years ahead.