Microsoft's many Outlooks are confusing users and employees
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Settings is more accessible to casual users.
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Teams is mostly fine these days and I think it's the only MS product that is getting better over time instead of worse. If you have a competent IT team then the various MS integrations can actually work well to make Teams a usable one stop for comms, recordings/transcripts, scheduling, file sharing, etc.
New features are slow to come but they do come. The insane memory footprint became much more reasonable for me when they moved from Electron to their own Edge-based WebView2 thing last year. The preview builds have finally combined the "teams" channel listings and ad-hoc chats into one tab where you can group them together however you want.
Teams still pisses me off on occasion but no more than any other piece of enterprise software. It's fine.
Kinda curious if me skipping all the shitty older versions is why I think the current one is fine. I always opt in to the new versions ASAP to get the pain of switching out of the way sooner rather than later.
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I cant stand anything microsoft anymore. Teams, outlook, word, every iteration just makes me more angry.
Bring back Outlook Express!
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Why are Microsoft employees so fucking stupid?
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I had to use teams with multiple accounts with multiple organisations. Sometimes my account is added to their organisation, sometimes I used their provided account. Microsoft was going for a one sign in approach and the whole thing just totally failed to account for my situation. It never successfully let me switch accounts, running multiple concurrently certainly never worked.
With one situation the work around was to follow the original organisation invite again, reset my password then proceed with my meeting. I'd do this maybe ten times a day sometimes if I had to bounce between different companies.
And all controls are basic as fuck. It's a business tool that thinks its target market is my grandma. All controls were apple-ified. I'd get a long error code and I couldn't select it to copy and paste it, and if I clicked off the window the notification displaying the error code would go away, so i'd have to print screen the error code, paste out somewhere, and then type it out manually into Google to try and diagnose. This was a singer problem 30 years ago. Why are we going backwards?
Anyway, rant over. It's a pos. Slack is light years ahead.
Sounds like you need a virtual machine for each Teams account!
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In that case, they wouldn’t have found it in Control Panel anyways.
Otherwise, they would have opened Control Panel.
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I don't think anybody is arguing against a more efficient product. The issue I see is the multiple, incompatible versions with confusing naming schemes that exist simultaneously.
It’s a necessity. It’s too different. It won’t ever have feature parity, and you need to give companies time to adapt their edge case uses.
They did the same thing with Teams and did worse with OneNote.
They did themselves a favor and killed off the Mail app ahead of time at least.
I think calling one “new” and the other “classic” is easy enough. The only alternative is to use a different name entirely.
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Teams meetings aren't really that much worse than Zoom, it's mostly minor gripes, although there are quite a few of those. The Teams chat client on the other hand is an absolute garbage fire that's significantly worse than Slack, Discord, or pretty much anything up to and arguably including IRC.
An organization , "team", channel, and chat are confusing as hell, that breakdown does not in any way align with the way communication works in a large organization. Why is there so little configuration available for notification settings? Why can't I completely silence or ignore a "team", channel, or chat? Why do I not receive notifications half the time for the things I actually want to be notified about? Why aren't there threads or at least a sensible and easy to follow "reply to" option? Why can't anyone seem to agree on the correct way to organize things? Half our groups are creating gigantic "teams" that include half the company, while the other half are creating shared channels nobody knows about. Both options suck.
Our organization turned off the ability to edit or delete any posts in a Team channel.
So outdated information, typos, stupid questions, etc remain polluting the channel for all eternity.
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The corp I'm working at moved to Outlook Web.
It's so hostile about downloading attachments through anything but OneDrive it's comical.
Every fucking version displays our HTML email signatures differently.
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Welcome to journalism in 202x
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That's Electron baby!
Ahem… it’s Edge Webview 2. Which I promise is in no way exactly the same as Electron…
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I got a new job, fully remote, and we use Teams. Not gonna lie, I don’t get the hate. It seems as exactly adequate as WebEx or Zoom. None of them make me cum, none of them make me upset.
What is it about Teams that people hate so much? How does WebEx or Zoom do it any better?
Fully onboard with hating new Outlook though, fuck it sucks. Can’t even browse the global address list, it’s search only.
My biggest problems with Teams are system slowdown (this was a big issue before I got my new work laptop), and different versions of Teams launching at startup (personal as default and then you have to choose professional or whatever and wait for it to reload everything). Back during the pandemic I had two different Teams (one for my reserve component, and one for my regular job) and it was a nightmare.
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Settings is the bloat. Control Panel reigns supreme.
They better not touch my damn control panel. I'll fight a microsoft systems engineer. They can be added to the list.
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"new" outlooks has less features than the old one. And its even harder to find things in settings (they removed a bunch of stuff). I dont look forward to this being on work devices...
don't forget that it uploads your non-microsoft email accounts' passwords to microsoft so that they can steal your mails to their systems
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As someone that maintains Outlook users, I can’t wait. Dumping decades of garbage code is a godsend.
Most businesses will be fine. The edge case scenarios will bitch and moan but will get over it by the following fiscal quarter.
New outlook will be easier than ever to upgrade. Code security will be better than ever before. Also no more unique software for non-Windows OS’s. OSX and Linux support will be a good feature that’s missing today.
whatever about code security, when user security goes out of the window in its entirety
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I got a new job, fully remote, and we use Teams. Not gonna lie, I don’t get the hate. It seems as exactly adequate as WebEx or Zoom. None of them make me cum, none of them make me upset.
What is it about Teams that people hate so much? How does WebEx or Zoom do it any better?
Fully onboard with hating new Outlook though, fuck it sucks. Can’t even browse the global address list, it’s search only.
For me, it has nothing to do with how good or bad the actual application is, it's the terms of service that go along with it. Basically microsoft hoovers up every morsel of data you put into their system, including your voice and face. I liken it to giving all your personal data to someone (including your voice and face), they put in a pretty looking safe on the side of the street and then they sell the keys to it.
Ignoring the fact that the data could be stolen from one of the many third parties it partners with, microsoft could (will) also give the data to the government which will then be used as evidence to deport or jail you or people you know for speaking out against the American regime or acted against Gods will and had an abortion. Or maybe someone in DC makes up some bullshit law targeting some arbitrary demographic which includes you, they request data from microsoft which is promptly provided; you get arrested and sent to jail or deported.
Data privacy is important, especially when the government is corrupt and insane. It's prudent to protect ourselves and the people we know.
Haven't needed to use it myself, but here's an open source alternative I've heard a lot about:
Not sure it'll help with your work though.
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That's Electron baby!
Several years ago I inadvertently (because I didn’t realize who they were) got in a twitter argument with someone who I seem to recall as the creator of electron about how it was fucking embarrassing how bad electron apps are. At the time I kinda felt bad because he seemed like a decent guy and I let loose but I wonder what the carbon footprint of his little side project is…
I don’t know who at Microsoft had such a hard-on for electron back then, but it seems to have spread and it’s still nowhere close to the good old windows GUI for resource usage.
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I got a new job, fully remote, and we use Teams. Not gonna lie, I don’t get the hate. It seems as exactly adequate as WebEx or Zoom. None of them make me cum, none of them make me upset.
What is it about Teams that people hate so much? How does WebEx or Zoom do it any better?
Fully onboard with hating new Outlook though, fuck it sucks. Can’t even browse the global address list, it’s search only.
Teams has been successful in detecting my headphones and mics 20% of the time. So, my alternative is to go on my phone and also my laptop (but mute myself) so I can share my screen during meetings. Windows detects my headphones and mics just fine in other applications, like Zoom or Discord. It's a pain in the ass.
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ahh member skype?
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It’s a necessity. It’s too different. It won’t ever have feature parity, and you need to give companies time to adapt their edge case uses.
They did the same thing with Teams and did worse with OneNote.
They did themselves a favor and killed off the Mail app ahead of time at least.
I think calling one “new” and the other “classic” is easy enough. The only alternative is to use a different name entirely.
Ugh, I used the "Mail" app exactly once, in 2017. That should tell you all you need to know
They could just not release the "new" Outlook until it's more feature complete...
