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    I admin a Facebook group with just about 30k people in it. It used to be great, and over the past few years the enshittification has been too much. Lately there is an out of control Facebook AI bot posting constantly pissing everyone off that we can't seem to turn off. I only use FB for the group, and don't have their spyware - I mean, app - installed and wont. Admin abilities are severely limited on the webapp.

    I'm stepping down as admin cuz I'm tired of this mess. But I'd like to offer an alternative community to members who are ready to jump ship. Is a Lemmy community the best option? It's a photo heavy group so when Pixelfed launches groups that will be great, but I haven't seen an ETA on that. I've read that Piefed has better mod controls. It can/should be public and accessible across platforms.

    Thoughts? And before anyone points it out, I know most folks won't bother switching. But I also miss when it was smaller and had more chill vibes so I can live with that.

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      I admin a Facebook group with just about 30k people in it. It used to be great, and over the past few years the enshittification has been too much. Lately there is an out of control Facebook AI bot posting constantly pissing everyone off that we can't seem to turn off. I only use FB for the group, and don't have their spyware - I mean, app - installed and wont. Admin abilities are severely limited on the webapp.

      I'm stepping down as admin cuz I'm tired of this mess. But I'd like to offer an alternative community to members who are ready to jump ship. Is a Lemmy community the best option? It's a photo heavy group so when Pixelfed launches groups that will be great, but I haven't seen an ETA on that. I've read that Piefed has better mod controls. It can/should be public and accessible across platforms.

      Thoughts? And before anyone points it out, I know most folks won't bother switching. But I also miss when it was smaller and had more chill vibes so I can live with that.

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      Pixelfed won't launch groups anytime soon unfortunately, I've followed closely and it seems it'll be out about the same time as Tesla's full self driving.

      I think the best way would be choose yourself piefed or Lemmy, and then you offer mastodon or pixelfed as places for your users to join and subscribe. So it's a little more natural to them.

      While your goal is noble, reality is that I would expect a very small percentage of people to migrate. Less than one maybe even. I think that even a few hundred more people joining the fediverse here is a great idea, but I don't want you to be discouraged when it doesn't turn out the way you hope. People love their platforms. (I also just read your last paragraph after writing this, my bad, glad you're in the right headspace ๐Ÿ™‚

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        I admin a Facebook group with just about 30k people in it. It used to be great, and over the past few years the enshittification has been too much. Lately there is an out of control Facebook AI bot posting constantly pissing everyone off that we can't seem to turn off. I only use FB for the group, and don't have their spyware - I mean, app - installed and wont. Admin abilities are severely limited on the webapp.

        I'm stepping down as admin cuz I'm tired of this mess. But I'd like to offer an alternative community to members who are ready to jump ship. Is a Lemmy community the best option? It's a photo heavy group so when Pixelfed launches groups that will be great, but I haven't seen an ETA on that. I've read that Piefed has better mod controls. It can/should be public and accessible across platforms.

        Thoughts? And before anyone points it out, I know most folks won't bother switching. But I also miss when it was smaller and had more chill vibes so I can live with that.

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        If you have the time for it I'd say run an independent site. Lemmy is ok for posting photos though.

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          I admin a Facebook group with just about 30k people in it. It used to be great, and over the past few years the enshittification has been too much. Lately there is an out of control Facebook AI bot posting constantly pissing everyone off that we can't seem to turn off. I only use FB for the group, and don't have their spyware - I mean, app - installed and wont. Admin abilities are severely limited on the webapp.

          I'm stepping down as admin cuz I'm tired of this mess. But I'd like to offer an alternative community to members who are ready to jump ship. Is a Lemmy community the best option? It's a photo heavy group so when Pixelfed launches groups that will be great, but I haven't seen an ETA on that. I've read that Piefed has better mod controls. It can/should be public and accessible across platforms.

          Thoughts? And before anyone points it out, I know most folks won't bother switching. But I also miss when it was smaller and had more chill vibes so I can live with that.

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          I've never used Facebook, but I've seen people say that Friendica is quite similar to Facebook (in case you care about that).

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            I admin a Facebook group with just about 30k people in it. It used to be great, and over the past few years the enshittification has been too much. Lately there is an out of control Facebook AI bot posting constantly pissing everyone off that we can't seem to turn off. I only use FB for the group, and don't have their spyware - I mean, app - installed and wont. Admin abilities are severely limited on the webapp.

            I'm stepping down as admin cuz I'm tired of this mess. But I'd like to offer an alternative community to members who are ready to jump ship. Is a Lemmy community the best option? It's a photo heavy group so when Pixelfed launches groups that will be great, but I haven't seen an ETA on that. I've read that Piefed has better mod controls. It can/should be public and accessible across platforms.

            Thoughts? And before anyone points it out, I know most folks won't bother switching. But I also miss when it was smaller and had more chill vibes so I can live with that.

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            A hosting account and whatever forum software is these days is like $10/mo and you own the whoe kit 'n kaboodle. But no, Facebook users won't come anyway so. ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

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              I admin a Facebook group with just about 30k people in it. It used to be great, and over the past few years the enshittification has been too much. Lately there is an out of control Facebook AI bot posting constantly pissing everyone off that we can't seem to turn off. I only use FB for the group, and don't have their spyware - I mean, app - installed and wont. Admin abilities are severely limited on the webapp.

              I'm stepping down as admin cuz I'm tired of this mess. But I'd like to offer an alternative community to members who are ready to jump ship. Is a Lemmy community the best option? It's a photo heavy group so when Pixelfed launches groups that will be great, but I haven't seen an ETA on that. I've read that Piefed has better mod controls. It can/should be public and accessible across platforms.

              Thoughts? And before anyone points it out, I know most folks won't bother switching. But I also miss when it was smaller and had more chill vibes so I can live with that.

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              @JustOneMoreCat If all group mebers use Lemmy accounts, all images are also federated. But in the communication between Lemmy and the rest of the Fediverse there are still some restrictions regarding pictures in replies.
              A #Friendica forum would probably be more suitable.
              Here is an insight into what this could look like: peertube.stream/w/p/4K4MWYXMEYโ€ฆ
              (an older version of Friendica is shown here, but in principle it is currently similar)
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                I admin a Facebook group with just about 30k people in it. It used to be great, and over the past few years the enshittification has been too much. Lately there is an out of control Facebook AI bot posting constantly pissing everyone off that we can't seem to turn off. I only use FB for the group, and don't have their spyware - I mean, app - installed and wont. Admin abilities are severely limited on the webapp.

                I'm stepping down as admin cuz I'm tired of this mess. But I'd like to offer an alternative community to members who are ready to jump ship. Is a Lemmy community the best option? It's a photo heavy group so when Pixelfed launches groups that will be great, but I haven't seen an ETA on that. I've read that Piefed has better mod controls. It can/should be public and accessible across platforms.

                Thoughts? And before anyone points it out, I know most folks won't bother switching. But I also miss when it was smaller and had more chill vibes so I can live with that.

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                Yes lemmy can serve as a good replacement for a picture sharing group

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                  I admin a Facebook group with just about 30k people in it. It used to be great, and over the past few years the enshittification has been too much. Lately there is an out of control Facebook AI bot posting constantly pissing everyone off that we can't seem to turn off. I only use FB for the group, and don't have their spyware - I mean, app - installed and wont. Admin abilities are severely limited on the webapp.

                  I'm stepping down as admin cuz I'm tired of this mess. But I'd like to offer an alternative community to members who are ready to jump ship. Is a Lemmy community the best option? It's a photo heavy group so when Pixelfed launches groups that will be great, but I haven't seen an ETA on that. I've read that Piefed has better mod controls. It can/should be public and accessible across platforms.

                  Thoughts? And before anyone points it out, I know most folks won't bother switching. But I also miss when it was smaller and had more chill vibes so I can live with that.

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                  Assuming your group has a considerable amount of non tech savvy people, I would suggest Friendica just for the familiarity, since it's supposed to be like facebook and it would be easier for people to use. I don't know if it has groups though. You might also sacrifice admin/mod capabilities. I'm not familiar how good friendica's admin tools are (if any).

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                    Assuming your group has a considerable amount of non tech savvy people, I would suggest Friendica just for the familiarity, since it's supposed to be like facebook and it would be easier for people to use. I don't know if it has groups though. You might also sacrifice admin/mod capabilities. I'm not familiar how good friendica's admin tools are (if any).

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                    I think diaspora is more Facebook-like and more user friendly

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                      I admin a Facebook group with just about 30k people in it. It used to be great, and over the past few years the enshittification has been too much. Lately there is an out of control Facebook AI bot posting constantly pissing everyone off that we can't seem to turn off. I only use FB for the group, and don't have their spyware - I mean, app - installed and wont. Admin abilities are severely limited on the webapp.

                      I'm stepping down as admin cuz I'm tired of this mess. But I'd like to offer an alternative community to members who are ready to jump ship. Is a Lemmy community the best option? It's a photo heavy group so when Pixelfed launches groups that will be great, but I haven't seen an ETA on that. I've read that Piefed has better mod controls. It can/should be public and accessible across platforms.

                      Thoughts? And before anyone points it out, I know most folks won't bother switching. But I also miss when it was smaller and had more chill vibes so I can live with that.

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                      Piefed has an option for gallery layout for photo groups.
                      https://join.piefed.social/2024/01/21/optimizing-image-communities-introducing-grid-view-masonry-for-improved-image-display/

                      Piefed is like Lemmy and can federate with it

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                        If you have the time for it I'd say run an independent site. Lemmy is ok for posting photos though.

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                        I'd rather keep it part of a bigger social network where people can interact with it as needed while doing other social stuff. Plus I know most people won't leave FB for it, and getting new different people involved would be nice. Just a bonus if people move to the Fediverse to see it and realize there's more to explore.

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                          Pixelfed won't launch groups anytime soon unfortunately, I've followed closely and it seems it'll be out about the same time as Tesla's full self driving.

                          I think the best way would be choose yourself piefed or Lemmy, and then you offer mastodon or pixelfed as places for your users to join and subscribe. So it's a little more natural to them.

                          While your goal is noble, reality is that I would expect a very small percentage of people to migrate. Less than one maybe even. I think that even a few hundred more people joining the fediverse here is a great idea, but I don't want you to be discouraged when it doesn't turn out the way you hope. People love their platforms. (I also just read your last paragraph after writing this, my bad, glad you're in the right headspace ๐Ÿ™‚

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                          I had a bad feeling about that with Pixelfed when I saw them repeatedly ignoring questions about when to expect groups, ha! I know you can follow / reply to Lemmy groups with Mastodon, but can you post to them from there? Or from Pixelfed?

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                            Piefed has an option for gallery layout for photo groups.
                            https://join.piefed.social/2024/01/21/optimizing-image-communities-introducing-grid-view-masonry-for-improved-image-display/

                            Piefed is like Lemmy and can federate with it

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                            That's interesting (a little chaotic with the different sized images but still). I've been using Interstellar for Piefed and it apparently doesn't support that, so I had no idea

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                              I had a bad feeling about that with Pixelfed when I saw them repeatedly ignoring questions about when to expect groups, ha! I know you can follow / reply to Lemmy groups with Mastodon, but can you post to them from there? Or from Pixelfed?

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                              Could try it out, for a migration this size I'd recommend testing it a bit. Try replying to this post via pixelfed

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                                I'd rather keep it part of a bigger social network where people can interact with it as needed while doing other social stuff. Plus I know most people won't leave FB for it, and getting new different people involved would be nice. Just a bonus if people move to the Fediverse to see it and realize there's more to explore.

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                                Reddit probably beats Facebook but it's getting worse all the time. If you want to use Lemmy you might consider running your own instance. Lemmy as far as I can tell has usable photo uploading. Maybe the new thing you mentioned will be better, but idk anything about it. There is also Threads which is a Facebook thing, right?

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                                  Could try it out, for a migration this size I'd recommend testing it a bit. Try replying to this post via pixelfed

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                                  It seems only image containing content federates to Pixelfed, so text only posts are not visible

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                                    I think diaspora is more Facebook-like and more user friendly

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                                    Unfortunately Diaspora does not use the ActivityPub protocol and doesn't even bridge to it. They have made the deliberate choice to not ever have a sizeable community.

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                                      Unfortunately Diaspora does not use the ActivityPub protocol and doesn't even bridge to it. They have made the deliberate choice to not ever have a sizeable community.

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                                      It's s closed or somewhat closed community yes. But it does communicate with Friendica and allows crossposts from e.g. mastodon. It's actually a great place to get away from all the noise of the social media world without leaving social media

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                                        I admin a Facebook group with just about 30k people in it. It used to be great, and over the past few years the enshittification has been too much. Lately there is an out of control Facebook AI bot posting constantly pissing everyone off that we can't seem to turn off. I only use FB for the group, and don't have their spyware - I mean, app - installed and wont. Admin abilities are severely limited on the webapp.

                                        I'm stepping down as admin cuz I'm tired of this mess. But I'd like to offer an alternative community to members who are ready to jump ship. Is a Lemmy community the best option? It's a photo heavy group so when Pixelfed launches groups that will be great, but I haven't seen an ETA on that. I've read that Piefed has better mod controls. It can/should be public and accessible across platforms.

                                        Thoughts? And before anyone points it out, I know most folks won't bother switching. But I also miss when it was smaller and had more chill vibes so I can live with that.

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                                        I doubt many would jump ship tbh

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                                          I admin a Facebook group with just about 30k people in it. It used to be great, and over the past few years the enshittification has been too much. Lately there is an out of control Facebook AI bot posting constantly pissing everyone off that we can't seem to turn off. I only use FB for the group, and don't have their spyware - I mean, app - installed and wont. Admin abilities are severely limited on the webapp.

                                          I'm stepping down as admin cuz I'm tired of this mess. But I'd like to offer an alternative community to members who are ready to jump ship. Is a Lemmy community the best option? It's a photo heavy group so when Pixelfed launches groups that will be great, but I haven't seen an ETA on that. I've read that Piefed has better mod controls. It can/should be public and accessible across platforms.

                                          Thoughts? And before anyone points it out, I know most folks won't bother switching. But I also miss when it was smaller and had more chill vibes so I can live with that.

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                                          Best option I know of is MeWe but it's not a 1:1. Does have some pretty solid group features though.

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