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G7 leaders: ‘Iran can never have a nuclear weapon’

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  • R [email protected]

    You wrote all that and failed to give me one example of annexation by US. Israel is annexing Palestine. Russia is annexing Ukraine. US didn't annex Afghanistan or other countries. The states/countries live on, sometimes better than before. There is a huge difference.

    I honestly believe trump is BS'ing about annexing Canada.

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    You don't have to annex countries nowadays to make them your colonies. You just let your companies take all the business there, exploiting the resources etc, you install a few military bases to serve your geopolitcal interests, aka war games, and just for show you let them elect your lackeys as local representatives of the empire. The american empire is the largest one in the world currently, even without techincally owning all that land. There is no need to, it's the 21st century. Power is not measured only by land.

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      Fair, the whole point of attacking Iran was because of Europe having a diverging stance on Palestine than Israel so we agree on that - but now that Israel has bombed Iran - all of Europe is rallying behind them and the genocide in Gaza has fallen to the wayside.

      At no point did Palestine play into Iran nuclear talks. I still don't quite understand why you keep bringing them into this conflict. It's a seperate conflict that has been in the making for a long time now, and I'm almost 99% sure US is strongly behind it (which would explain the spike in weapon deliveries pre-strike) borderline using Israel as a puppet state.

      So I'm arguing that we should discourage unprovoked attacks by allies of the G7 on the grounds that those are unproductive to peacekeeping.

      Because not doing anything and chilling out when others are making major moves is sure a failproof strategy. Worked well for France in WW2. Not really advocating for these attacks, but you gotta understand that they do have a point. If west does nothing, they will get cornered. No one wants to be cornered. I'd rather be cornered by US than IRGC, you know, but obviously this is going to be a controversial and mixed opinion for obvious reasons, depending on who's reading this.

      or you're saying that they should expect repercussions and therefore attacks and escalations against the G7 are justified as well.

      Well, no one is stopping you from becoming the next Houthis shooting rockets at our valuables. The god isn't watching. But "expect no repercussions"? Why do you think no one is attacking the big countries? There are always repercussions, this isn't unique to G7 countries. Who tf is going to bully China? Not saying the world order is excellent, but it is what it is, and currently Iran doesn't have the best cards and no one on the other side wants them to have nukes.

      My point is: The G7's hypocritical application of international law and use of violence and coercion to maintain dominance is exactly what drives countries to join BRICS as an alternative, making Western actions counterproductive to their own stated goals of democracy, peace and stability - which results in further conflict and loss of life across the globe.

      My point is, and I truly believe, if highly religious countries with record amount of human right violations and authoritarism would be the world's hedgemony instead of United States who could get wiped out while idling, there is a very, very high chance my, and likely your life might be so much worse. US for all it's shitty things, is still, in my opinion, a far safer choice for world than the cool trio Russia, North Korea and Iran, so naturally western countries are interested in avoiding such a large future threats

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      US for all it's shitty things, is still, in my opinion, a far safer choice for world than the cool trio Russia, North Korea and Iran

      As I said: "that's an easy position to hold when you're on the side with all the nukes..."

      I'm just trying to warn you that defending such a system only leads to more contradictions, which require more violence to subdue, which in turn creates even more contradictions, which repeats until it collapses under it's own weight.

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      • R [email protected]

        School shooters usually use it as their last resort. Bullying of autistic kids is the main problem. Them finding such an exit is a secondary one.

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        No, school shooters aren't using it as a last resort. They are physcopaths who feel slighted and can't process emotions.

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        • T [email protected]

          NO ONE should have them. Dumb asses.

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          Yeah but until countries like the US, Russia, China and the rest give them up, they are the only true guarantee of sovereignty.

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          • F [email protected]

            Religious zealots can't be allowed to have nukes. You have to at least masquerade as a well-adjusted nation while you develop the nukes and slowly massage your zealots into positions of power over a few decades. Those are the rules.

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            So you agree that Israel shouldn't have nukes.

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            • Z [email protected]

              US for all it's shitty things, is still, in my opinion, a far safer choice for world than the cool trio Russia, North Korea and Iran

              As I said: "that's an easy position to hold when you're on the side with all the nukes..."

              I'm just trying to warn you that defending such a system only leads to more contradictions, which require more violence to subdue, which in turn creates even more contradictions, which repeats until it collapses under it's own weight.

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              Beats the alternative?

              EDIT: Gotta say, seeing sudden jump in downvotes on all my profile makes me feel good. I'm getting to your nerves, extremists. You know I'm right, and your brigading confirms that for me. The fact that you suddenly spend so much time trying to affect some imaginary points is just.. 1-0.

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                No, school shooters aren't using it as a last resort. They are physcopaths who feel slighted and can't process emotions.

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                This is wrong. Psychopaths feel themselves just fine in the society and usually don't become school shooters.

                Shooting up bullies is a very crude solution, one that a psychopath usually doesn't need.

                In any case most of school shootings I've read about were connected to bullying, and bully lives don't matter. Don't bully, don't get killed.

                A psychopath usually plans their murders, so they'll do just fine with a heavy sharp object or a reactive not intended for food getting into food. A psychopath will also be on the convenient side of any socially approved action.

                I've recently fully realized that I've met a high quality psychopath once.

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                • R [email protected]

                  This is wrong. Psychopaths feel themselves just fine in the society and usually don't become school shooters.

                  Shooting up bullies is a very crude solution, one that a psychopath usually doesn't need.

                  In any case most of school shootings I've read about were connected to bullying, and bully lives don't matter. Don't bully, don't get killed.

                  A psychopath usually plans their murders, so they'll do just fine with a heavy sharp object or a reactive not intended for food getting into food. A psychopath will also be on the convenient side of any socially approved action.

                  I've recently fully realized that I've met a high quality psychopath once.

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                  Well it's definitely not autistics or a last resort like you claim..

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                  • L [email protected]

                    Oh no, I didn’t. I gave you examples of the USA doing much worse things. I also replied to your comment about Russias behavior to other countries, of which only 1 they had attacked. How many did America attack?

                    In any case the USA would have stayed much longer if in their occupation of the Middle East if public pressure, suicide rate of their forces etc.

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                    Tf? How is, for example, doing a genocide in gaza (part of annexation) better than wiping out terrorist groups in Iraq?

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                    • H [email protected]

                      Well it's definitely not autistics or a last resort like you claim..

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                      In many cases it's both.

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