Government condemns Glastonbury chants aired live on BBC
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AFAIK you can also not join the IDF by simply being extremely religious.
Yea, Orthodox Jews have total exemption from joining the armed forces. If you really don't want to murder children and steal land, go study the Talmud. No excuse.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Civil_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_Spain
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homage_to_Catalonia
The Spanish are a great bunch of lads
Fada beò an Spàinn!
I love how Orwell - being so iconic today - had to be described as "Author of 'The Road to Wigan Pier' etc"
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If Zionists had any real leverage they could use to control states Spain and Ireland (and to a lesser extent France under Macron) wouldn't be outspoken advocates for Palestinian rights
I'm not sure what has given Spain their perspective but at least in Ireland there is no amount of propaganda you could throw at us to change public perception here, largely on a moral ground, but we also have that sweet, sweet history of oppression. We were all horrified on October 6th but there's no justification for the current genocide.
Really fucking tired of antisemitism bring bandied about as the reason for our support too. Children are being shot in the street, losing limbs and being starved as a weapon of war FFS. Antisemitism is a real and nasty thing and the word is being cheapened by the hour.
Very happy to have a larger country along for the ride with us. History is on our side.
Big ups to you! No "skin in the game" but taking the right side. Disappointed in my own government. Luckily basically every regular person I've ever spoken with about it agrees with the take.. Just the state..
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The government has "strongly condemned" chants at Glastonbury Festival from rap punk duo Bob Vylan calling for "death" to the Israeli military and broadcast live on the BBC.
Rapper Bobby Vylan led chants of "free, free Palestine" and "death, death to the IDF [Israel Defense Forces]" during their set, which came just before Belfast rap trio Kneecap.
A BBC spokesperson said some of the comments were "deeply offensive", adding it had issued a warning on screen about "very strong and discriminatory language". The set will not be available to rewatch on BBC iPlayer.
Police said they were reviewing videos of comments made by Bob Vylan and Kneecap to decide whether any offences had been committed.
Just chiming in with some lyrics from the great musician, Tim Minchin
And if you look into your motherfucking heart and tell me true
If this motherfucking stupid fucking song offended you
With its filthy fucking language and its fucking disrespect
If it made you feel angry, go ahead and write a letter
But if you find me more offensive than the fucking possibility
The pope protected priests when they were getting fucking fiddlyThe IDF shot civilians when they were getting hungryThen listen to me, motherfucker, this here is a fact:
You are just as morally misguided as that motherfucking
Power-hungry, self-aggrandised bigot in the
stupid fucking hatIsraeli governmentFuck the IDF, and fuck every single piece of shit making excuses for murdering civilians for the unholy crime of being born somewhere.
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Sure, but that's a whole different convo from finding "your honor, I had to murder the 5 year old; the alternative was a couple of months in prison and flipping burgers for the rest of my life" at all agreeable.
Agreed. But it sure does not feel like people here want to make that distinction.
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You'd like to claim that being against Israeli murder is antisemitism and thats never been true. Its dishonest, it's arguing via a category error, and communicating in bad faith.
Its a cheap facile con that also serves as a slight against the person you are talking to, by using such a stupid argument in a seemingly serious manner.
You're not as clever as you think. You're just weaponizing peoples wish for a just system to your own malignant purposes. We all see you.
Ben Gurion famously said of the zionist crimes of the Nakba in 1948, "The old will die and the young will forget." But we will not forget. This will never be normalized, and Israel will remain a pariah people. That is a danger to global jewry and is itself the true antisemtisim thats happening today. Its being perpetrated by zionists like yourself.
Sure, man. Repeating antisemitic conspiracy ideology is helping the thing.
Maybe some people should stop reading "The Protocols of the elders of Zion".
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Agreed. But it sure does not feel like people here want to make that distinction.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. To be clear about my own position in this:
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Chanting death to the idf is, to me, morally equivalent to chanting death to the SS. Both are ok, even though the SS had forced conscription.
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Forced conscription is bad, but not really on topic.
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Israel is a democracy with a far-right government, not fascism. Even though the situation in the Westbank might be similar to Apartheid. Nazi-Germany executed an industrial murder of over 6 million Jews, this is not the same!
wrote last edited by [email protected]Israel is a democracy with a far-right government,
IOW - people actually fucking voted for this. That's even worse, since that means that the general populace shares greater culpability.
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Yea, Orthodox Jews have total exemption from joining the armed forces. If you really don't want to murder children and steal land, go study the Talmud. No excuse.
For some of them it's "if you don't want to risk your life in the armed forces, but really, really want other people to go and murder children and steal land so you can benefit, go study the Talmud".
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I'm not sure I understand what you mean. To be clear about my own position in this:
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Chanting death to the idf is, to me, morally equivalent to chanting death to the SS. Both are ok, even though the SS had forced conscription.
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Forced conscription is bad, but not really on topic.
Again I agree. But I feel like we are simpling it to much. And I kind of feel like people are not making those distinctions. And it's kind of galling to hear it from nice normal countries that dont have to deal with all this.
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BBC is a bunch of smegheads from the past.
Clearly you are not a bot if you can say smeeeee.... Smeeehhhh.... Smeeeeeee.... Heeeeeeeaaaa..
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Comparing Israel to Nazi-Germany is antisemitic
I no longer subscribe to people telling me what is and what is not antisemitic. I'll use my own brain for that, thanks.
We've seen too much abuse and restriction of language and crybullying from zionists to let that language be defined by you lot anymore. Hey did you see this one? The very word "Palestine" is itself a "genocide" against the zionists.
https://www.jns.org/the-word-palestine-is-genocide/
And heres one of Netenyahu calling IDF soldiers antisemitic who talk about their atrocities. I guess its "semitic" to keep crimes secret? Is that what you personally require to keep that "antisemitic" accusation from being thrown out?
https://caitlinjohnstone.com.au/2025/06/28/netanyahu-says-its-antisemitic-for-israeli-soldiers-to-describe-their-own-atrocities/I think the fact that you zionists wrung the holocaust for all the marketing value it was worth in order to commit your own gencocide on innocents is disgusting and wildly criminal. You belong in prison.
If this was the 40s, that person would have def be defending the nazis
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Israel is a democracy with a far-right government, not fascism. Even though the situation in the Westbank might be similar to Apartheid. Nazi-Germany executed an industrial murder of over 6 million Jews, this is not the same!
Whoever told you Israel is a democracy lied to you. Israel is a democracy the way Apartheid South Africa was a democracy.
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Again I agree. But I feel like we are simpling it to much. And I kind of feel like people are not making those distinctions. And it's kind of galling to hear it from nice normal countries that dont have to deal with all this.
I still don't really understand what you mean. What does "it" refer to? And what are nice normal countries?
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Comparing Israel to Nazi-Germany is antisemitic and comparing the war crimes in Gaza to the Holocaust is at least Holocaust minimization.
Also criticizing people for supporting islamistic terrorists like Hamas or Hezbollah doesn't imply support for Israel.
Reminder that it is Israeli right wingers themselves that have opened that door by saying that Hamas are worse than Nazis and comparing the October 7th attacks to the Holocaust.
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I still don't really understand what you mean. What does "it" refer to? And what are nice normal countries?
By it I mean how the idf is used and it's place in the Palestinian and Israeli conflict.
And by nice normal counties I mean counties that don't have recruiters at high schools, that don't do the pledge of allegiance very day at school, that don't hit you over the head with how brave and great their military is and provide free healthcare an college to non military members.
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The government has "strongly condemned" chants at Glastonbury Festival from rap punk duo Bob Vylan calling for "death" to the Israeli military and broadcast live on the BBC.
Rapper Bobby Vylan led chants of "free, free Palestine" and "death, death to the IDF [Israel Defense Forces]" during their set, which came just before Belfast rap trio Kneecap.
A BBC spokesperson said some of the comments were "deeply offensive", adding it had issued a warning on screen about "very strong and discriminatory language". The set will not be available to rewatch on BBC iPlayer.
Police said they were reviewing videos of comments made by Bob Vylan and Kneecap to decide whether any offences had been committed.
Please show me where the UK Government condemned “death to the Arabs” chants from Israelis.
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You can choose to not join or to leave the IDF (it might cost you some jail time, but if that’s the price for keeping one’s soul, so be it). You can’t choose to not be an Arab.
I see this delusional and out of touch argument being made all over the internet, and it's so damn annoying. These takes are always from chronically online larpers who never leave the comfort of their house, they always say shit like:
"why don't people of Iran just overthrow the theocracy?"
"why don't the people of North Korea just topple the Kim dynasty?"
"why don't Russian conscripts just refuse to fight in Ukraine?"
"why don't Israelis just refuse to be in the IDF?"
"why don't Americans just have a revolution?"
Could it be because that reality is not that simple? It's easy to sit there in your dark room all day dreaming about being a heroic revolutionary, but in reality? You wouldn't do shit because you understand that the consequences are a lot harsher in reality than in your imagination. This over simplistic view of the world just boils away the complexity and nuance of humanity. Nobody is willing to risk their freedom, stability, future, or life to appear moral or have a "clean soul". When shit gets real and you're in the same position as all these people, you'll end up doing the same as them. If reality was that easy then we wouldn't have tyrannical regimes or wars or exploitation, but we do. Trying to blame a 20 year conscript for being forced to serve in the military by extremist leaders is stupid and unhelpful. They're not making the situation better, but it's also not their fault they're in that position in the first place.
Many of the Russian invasion forces have desserted/defected to Ukraine. IDF could do the same. I mean like just run far away, never look back.
It wont be easy to desert, but like, if you are part of the russian invasion force, you're gonna get shot, same with the IDF. If its "not your fault" for being conscripted, is also "not their fault" for the opposing side to shooting the invaders, the opposing side is also "just doing their job".
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The right, who are outright Nazis claiming to be against “anti-semitism” is such a fucking ludicrous joke.
wrote last edited by [email protected]If i could invent a time machine and send them to a wwii internment camps I would. That way they could see what real antisemitism looks like. Not this scapegoat bs they are doing today
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Many of the Russian invasion forces have desserted/defected to Ukraine. IDF could do the same. I mean like just run far away, never look back.
It wont be easy to desert, but like, if you are part of the russian invasion force, you're gonna get shot, same with the IDF. If its "not your fault" for being conscripted, is also "not their fault" for the opposing side to shooting the invaders, the opposing side is also "just doing their job".
You're saying it as if this is common, it's absolutely not. Russian defections and desertions to Ukraine and vice versa are very rare, and for good reason. The chances of you successfully running away are slim compared to failing and getting killed by either Russia or Ukraine. If it was as easy as you think it is then number of causalities among troops in this war wouldn't be in the millions.
But this also ignores how these are not comparable situations at all. The Gaza war is nothing like the Ukraine war, where are IDF conscripts supposed to defect to? It's not like there's anything in Gaza, they can't leave through legal channels, and all their neighboring countries will kill them the moment they find out they're in the IDF. It's a difficult situation to be in.
