Government condemns Glastonbury chants aired live on BBC
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Yeah that's the lad. The history of Rome is incredible. I only fell into Revolutions because I needed something to fill the gap after history of Rome and his style is very easy listening.
I'm being a bit more picky with the sections I listen to in revolutions but really enjoying it so far.
It's on Spotify etc if you have that.
Sweet, ta! I listened to The History of Rome a few years ago so I'll check this one out.
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Yet you don't use this excuse for hamas. It suck that they had to do a terrorist act for people to talk again about 77 years of oppresion by israel. The idf leaving gaza to control it from outside and continuing occupying the west bank, demolishing house, torturing paleatinians , raping them and killing them make it hard for hamas to resist following international law.
Would you have use the same argument for nazis to follow hitler?
Don't you also see how many idf soldiers are filming themselves mocking plaestinians and having fun?
My point is universal. Actually A lot pro Israelis use this very argument a lot:
"Why don't Gazans just rise up and overthrow Hamas?"
As if that simple. People talk about Israel on here a lot, but they constantly overlook that Hamas is a tyrannical terrorist group against Gazans as well. They rule through fear and violence. People who talk about them being a legitimate resistance group forget that these are the same people who have systematically chased out the Christian minority in Gaza, killed their opposition in the strip, banned free speech, and they killed/kidnapped/torutured anybody they don't like by saying they work for the enemy. Netanyahu was literally funding them in their early years, so you know that they don't have the best interests of Palestinians in mind.
It's really hard for people to rise against tyranny. It's really hard for people to stand up to the powerful. Things like bravery and morally right no matter what are cute ideas that people can talk about on the internet, but in the real world nobody is going to give up their lives.
Also keep in mind, calling out this stupid point doesn't mean that someone is now magically a Hamas supporter who advocates for terrorism nor does the opposite make someone an Israeli supporter who advocates for war crimes.
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My point is universal. Actually A lot pro Israelis use this very argument a lot:
"Why don't Gazans just rise up and overthrow Hamas?"
As if that simple. People talk about Israel on here a lot, but they constantly overlook that Hamas is a tyrannical terrorist group against Gazans as well. They rule through fear and violence. People who talk about them being a legitimate resistance group forget that these are the same people who have systematically chased out the Christian minority in Gaza, killed their opposition in the strip, banned free speech, and they killed/kidnapped/torutured anybody they don't like by saying they work for the enemy. Netanyahu was literally funding them in their early years, so you know that they don't have the best interests of Palestinians in mind.
It's really hard for people to rise against tyranny. It's really hard for people to stand up to the powerful. Things like bravery and morally right no matter what are cute ideas that people can talk about on the internet, but in the real world nobody is going to give up their lives.
Also keep in mind, calling out this stupid point doesn't mean that someone is now magically a Hamas supporter who advocates for terrorism nor does the opposite make someone an Israeli supporter who advocates for war crimes.
I can use the same excuse and say Hamas has no choice but to persecute who oppose them because they fear that the resistance will simply die and Israel will continue it's occupation with nobody stopping them.
Also Israel kicked more charitarians than Hamas ever will . At least 50k of the nekba refugees was Christians .
I don't deny anything Hamas did that is terrible and criminalAll your mental gymnastic won't change the fact , Palestinians has the right to fight and kill idf soldiers that are in Gaza committing a genocide . The only place where idf can die is in gaza or the west bank where Palestinians has the right to armed resistance . So yeah death to the IDF
Israel just allow funds to enter Gaza they didn't fund Hamas it was Qatar who id , it's the same Israel who allow funds to goes to the Palestinians authority. Israel control everything in and out of gaza . The Palestinian authority is the one collaborating with Israel, crushing west bank resistance and do nothing against illegal settlers . So i wonder for you who is the real resistance? Please don't tell me there is none because it never happened in history
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The government has "strongly condemned" chants at Glastonbury Festival from rap punk duo Bob Vylan calling for "death" to the Israeli military and broadcast live on the BBC.
Rapper Bobby Vylan led chants of "free, free Palestine" and "death, death to the IDF [Israel Defense Forces]" during their set, which came just before Belfast rap trio Kneecap.
A BBC spokesperson said some of the comments were "deeply offensive", adding it had issued a warning on screen about "very strong and discriminatory language". The set will not be available to rewatch on BBC iPlayer.
Police said they were reviewing videos of comments made by Bob Vylan and Kneecap to decide whether any offences had been committed.
And we strongly condemn these governments that keep protecting genocidal maniacs
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Repeating antisemitic conspiracy ideology
I don't know what you want to tell me with that.
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Comparing Israel to Nazi-Germany is antisemitic and comparing the war crimes in Gaza to the Holocaust is at least Holocaust minimization.
Also criticizing people for supporting islamistic terrorists like Hamas or Hezbollah doesn't imply support for Israel.
Lol I can't take you seriously. Sorry but when Israel is literally doing nazi shit you can't claim their critics are antisemitic for calling them out for doing nazi shit. Get real.
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You can choose to not join or to leave the IDF (it might cost you some jail time, but if that’s the price for keeping one’s soul, so be it). You can’t choose to not be an Arab.
I see this delusional and out of touch argument being made all over the internet, and it's so damn annoying. These takes are always from chronically online larpers who never leave the comfort of their house, they always say shit like:
"why don't people of Iran just overthrow the theocracy?"
"why don't the people of North Korea just topple the Kim dynasty?"
"why don't Russian conscripts just refuse to fight in Ukraine?"
"why don't Israelis just refuse to be in the IDF?"
"why don't Americans just have a revolution?"
Could it be because that reality is not that simple? It's easy to sit there in your dark room all day dreaming about being a heroic revolutionary, but in reality? You wouldn't do shit because you understand that the consequences are a lot harsher in reality than in your imagination. This over simplistic view of the world just boils away the complexity and nuance of humanity. Nobody is willing to risk their freedom, stability, future, or life to appear moral or have a "clean soul". When shit gets real and you're in the same position as all these people, you'll end up doing the same as them. If reality was that easy then we wouldn't have tyrannical regimes or wars or exploitation, but we do. Trying to blame a 20 year conscript for being forced to serve in the military by extremist leaders is stupid and unhelpful. They're not making the situation better, but it's also not their fault they're in that position in the first place.
Uh, I think taking a jail sentence by not joining a fascist military is a little easier than toppling your government. That's not even a remotely equivalent comparison.
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Just chiming in with some lyrics from the great musician, Tim Minchin
And if you look into your motherfucking heart and tell me true
If this motherfucking stupid fucking song offended you
With its filthy fucking language and its fucking disrespect
If it made you feel angry, go ahead and write a letter
But if you find me more offensive than the fucking possibility
The pope protected priests when they were getting fucking fiddlyThe IDF shot civilians when they were getting hungryThen listen to me, motherfucker, this here is a fact:
You are just as morally misguided as that motherfucking
Power-hungry, self-aggrandised bigot in the
stupid fucking hatIsraeli governmentFuck the IDF, and fuck every single piece of shit making excuses for murdering civilians for the unholy crime of being born somewhere.
This is the energy I like to see.
Fuck everybody who goes along with, denies, or minimizes terrorism and genocide, no matter who they are.
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I don't know what you want to tell me with that.
Maybe dont tell people they are engaging in conspiracy theory and strawman about elders of zion, whatever that is, if you are inpacable of understanding any response. And I dont completely beleive you when you say you dont understand.
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Please show me where the UK Government condemned “death to the Arabs” chants from Israelis.
The British Government considers being Arab as synonymous with being a terrorist. Not, incidentally, any differently than how Israelis see them.
Of course, the Brits were a colonial power that spent centuries quelling domestic revolts in order to extract natural resources and exploiting cheap labor. Also, not that different from their Israeli peers.
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Maybe dont tell people they are engaging in conspiracy theory and strawman about elders of zion, whatever that is, if you are inpacable of understanding any response. And I dont completely beleive you when you say you dont understand.
Man, you are the problem. Try to answer understandable next time.
Blubbering about jewish bankers controlling the state is antisemitic conspiracy bullshit 101.
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The government has "strongly condemned" chants at Glastonbury Festival from rap punk duo Bob Vylan calling for "death" to the Israeli military and broadcast live on the BBC.
Rapper Bobby Vylan led chants of "free, free Palestine" and "death, death to the IDF [Israel Defense Forces]" during their set, which came just before Belfast rap trio Kneecap.
A BBC spokesperson said some of the comments were "deeply offensive", adding it had issued a warning on screen about "very strong and discriminatory language". The set will not be available to rewatch on BBC iPlayer.
Police said they were reviewing videos of comments made by Bob Vylan and Kneecap to decide whether any offences had been committed.
For some balance: the UK hate speech laws despite what the daily mail push have been applied relatively evenly with the intent of preventing violence which has been a problem in the UK in several cases where innocents were unfairly targeted then attacked.
I'm not really one way or the other regarding the BBC decision, I can see it both ways and the footage will be out there regardless of their choice. I personally support the message being free speech and for the public to make their judgement.
Re the police reviewing it. This can often happen with high profile stuff even if it's to officially class it as free speech, so no one can say it was ignored and the were discriminated against. However if the police find it to be anything other than free speech based on current events, I would find that highly concerning.
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Man, you are the problem. Try to answer understandable next time.
Blubbering about jewish bankers controlling the state is antisemitic conspiracy bullshit 101.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I never said anything about jewish bankers controlling a state. Nobody else did either. So you accuse me of antisemitism, play dumb when you get your arse rhetorically handed to you, you then strawman, close with another antisemitism accusation, and then walk away. Thats not a very convincing performance. Next time maybe dont start throwing around your "antisemitism" libel in the first place.
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The government has "strongly condemned" chants at Glastonbury Festival from rap punk duo Bob Vylan calling for "death" to the Israeli military and broadcast live on the BBC.
Rapper Bobby Vylan led chants of "free, free Palestine" and "death, death to the IDF [Israel Defense Forces]" during their set, which came just before Belfast rap trio Kneecap.
A BBC spokesperson said some of the comments were "deeply offensive", adding it had issued a warning on screen about "very strong and discriminatory language". The set will not be available to rewatch on BBC iPlayer.
Police said they were reviewing videos of comments made by Bob Vylan and Kneecap to decide whether any offences had been committed.
You can come a complaint of inaccuracy on the BBC website. If you have the time to do so, do so. Stating they were antisemitic is slander and misinformed.
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I never said anything about jewish bankers controlling a state. Nobody else did either. So you accuse me of antisemitism, play dumb when you get your arse rhetorically handed to you, you then strawman, close with another antisemitism accusation, and then walk away. Thats not a very convincing performance. Next time maybe dont start throwing around your "antisemitism" libel in the first place.
I accuse you of nothing. I accused the user WanderingThoughts of that, because they just did exactly that in their now deleted comment. You are just chiming in here, post walls of text for whatever reason and make it about you.
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I accuse you of nothing. I accused the user WanderingThoughts of that, because they just did exactly that in their now deleted comment. You are just chiming in here, post walls of text for whatever reason and make it about you.
I see, well respond to the right person next time so you dont waste both our time.
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I see, well respond to the right person next time so you dont waste both our time.
Unbelievable. You made a fucking mistake and still claim I am the problem. You don't make it easy for people to like you, right?
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Are you excusing islamist terrorism, rape and beheadings?
As bad as 10/7 was, the unfounded accusations of systemic rape and beheadings have been de-bunked. Don't go down the road of repeating propaganda or your comments will be removed.
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Unbelievable. You made a fucking mistake and still claim I am the problem. You don't make it easy for people to like you, right?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Unbeleiveable
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read the comment train. You replied to me and then you act like a dementia patient after calling me an antisemite twice and failing to back it up. Like I said, dont insult people if you are too incapable of readnig and replying to comments, or too dishonest to make your point without failing to land and then resorting to ad-homs. I dont know what else to tell you, but all the points I made stand, and your throwing around "anti semitism like its a word that means anything after you lot spend the last several years making it mean nothing show us all who you are and what you are doing here. Get bent.at best you replied with nastiness to the wrong comment.
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Maybe? Isreal would still have the better weapon platforms then its regional neighbors and i think will more likely use a nuke in a situation like that if it feels desperate enough.
If they use a nuke then they are done.
