Government condemns Glastonbury chants aired live on BBC
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Then better stop the genocide before antisemitism gets normalized. It will increase the longer this continues.
How does banking factor into the genocide in gaza, or did you just reach for whatever jewish stereotype came to mind first?
It's extremely easy to criticize Israel without being anti-Semitic and yet you failed spectacularly and have shown zero self reflection after getting correctly called out on it. Pathetic.
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I said death to the idf
I was gonna joke world would remove it but didn't think they actually would
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The government has "strongly condemned" chants at Glastonbury Festival from rap punk duo Bob Vylan calling for "death" to the Israeli military and broadcast live on the BBC.
Rapper Bobby Vylan led chants of "free, free Palestine" and "death, death to the IDF [Israel Defense Forces]" during their set, which came just before Belfast rap trio Kneecap.
A BBC spokesperson said some of the comments were "deeply offensive", adding it had issued a warning on screen about "very strong and discriminatory language". The set will not be available to rewatch on BBC iPlayer.
Police said they were reviewing videos of comments made by Bob Vylan and Kneecap to decide whether any offences had been committed.
wrote last edited by [email protected]"Death to the IDF" is not what I would chant, but it's honestly mild compared to the kinds of slogans (eg. "Death to Arabs" and "Let your village burn") West-funded, West-supported, West-armed, and West-protected-from-accountability Israeli fanatics chant before committing actual fucking atrocities. Hell, it's mild compared to the Amalek rhetoric of Israeli state leadership.
Edit: why is "death to the IDF" mild compared to "death to Arabs"? You can choose to not join or to leave the IDF (it might cost you some jail time, but if that's the price for keeping one's soul, so be it). You can at the very least not self-identify with it and distance yourself from what it has become. Basically, there are many off ramps out of the IDF. There are no ramps off of existing as an Arab.
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There is something going on though right?
There absolutely must be Zionist Jews in influential positions in American and probably the UK who have the interest of Israel above the interest of their country. There is loads of funding for pro Israel groups.
The whole antisemitic propaganda thrown at Labour is real questionable.
Pro Israel groups have been caught rewriting history on Wikipedia.
Without being able to talk about it how do we know what's real and what's a conspiracy?
Like just talking about things that are true isn't wrong. The whole banking system is too much. But what is right?
Ridiculous, there is no need to invent a conspiracy. Isreal and the UK have aligned economic and military interests. There is no jewish shadow banking syndicate pulling the strings, there simply an understanding that the UK benefits from a state like Israel existing in the middle east and that if it didn't exist the UK's ability to project military force would be worse off and UK businesses would be worse off.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Civil_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_Spain
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homage_to_Catalonia
The Spanish are a great bunch of lads
Fada beò an Spàinn!
wrote last edited by [email protected]Cheers. I'll give them a read this evening.
And yeah great bunch of lads the Spanish. Absolutely sound in general.
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How does banking factor into the genocide in gaza, or did you just reach for whatever jewish stereotype came to mind first?
It's extremely easy to criticize Israel without being anti-Semitic and yet you failed spectacularly and have shown zero self reflection after getting correctly called out on it. Pathetic.
Oh, I'm not criticizing Israel. That's a done conclusion. I'm questioning why politicians in other countries go along with this. As far as I can see, and that's clearly shown, there's very good lobbying, information campaigns and lots of money. Even the Eurovision contest was full of money and influencing. I'm assuming influence alone can't do this, certainly not after protests. That leaves money. Who has a lot of money, meaning trillions, and reason to use it as leverage? Certain banks. Of course that's forbidden to say, but that omerta thing going on is now part of the stereotype.
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Ridiculous, there is no need to invent a conspiracy. Isreal and the UK have aligned economic and military interests. There is no jewish shadow banking syndicate pulling the strings, there simply an understanding that the UK benefits from a state like Israel existing in the middle east and that if it didn't exist the UK's ability to project military force would be worse off and UK businesses would be worse off.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I didnt say there was a shadow banking industry, in fact I said the opposite.
Completely missed my point.
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The government has "strongly condemned" chants at Glastonbury Festival from rap punk duo Bob Vylan calling for "death" to the Israeli military and broadcast live on the BBC.
Rapper Bobby Vylan led chants of "free, free Palestine" and "death, death to the IDF [Israel Defense Forces]" during their set, which came just before Belfast rap trio Kneecap.
A BBC spokesperson said some of the comments were "deeply offensive", adding it had issued a warning on screen about "very strong and discriminatory language". The set will not be available to rewatch on BBC iPlayer.
Police said they were reviewing videos of comments made by Bob Vylan and Kneecap to decide whether any offences had been committed.
I support it because I'm with "The People."
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Israel is the terrorist
That does not make Hamas any less of an terrorist organization.
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The government has "strongly condemned" chants at Glastonbury Festival from rap punk duo Bob Vylan calling for "death" to the Israeli military and broadcast live on the BBC.
Rapper Bobby Vylan led chants of "free, free Palestine" and "death, death to the IDF [Israel Defense Forces]" during their set, which came just before Belfast rap trio Kneecap.
A BBC spokesperson said some of the comments were "deeply offensive", adding it had issued a warning on screen about "very strong and discriminatory language". The set will not be available to rewatch on BBC iPlayer.
Police said they were reviewing videos of comments made by Bob Vylan and Kneecap to decide whether any offences had been committed.
wrote last edited by [email protected]The set will not be available to rewatch on BBC iPlayer.
Oh, whoops. Here you go:
https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/37661027
Edit: original: https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/3bf38d29-c6d6-403d-9c72-14f7bd712764.mp4
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Are you excusing islamist terrorism, rape and beheadings?
I feel like you're arguing in bad faith if you're making a false equivalence like that. We're not talking about Islamist anything, we're talking about the genocidal colonial oppression of innocent men women and children by the IOF. they literally ensured premature babies were left to die and decompose in incubators in hospitals in Gaza
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"Death to the IDF" is not what I would chant, but it's honestly mild compared to the kinds of slogans (eg. "Death to Arabs" and "Let your village burn") West-funded, West-supported, West-armed, and West-protected-from-accountability Israeli fanatics chant before committing actual fucking atrocities. Hell, it's mild compared to the Amalek rhetoric of Israeli state leadership.
Edit: why is "death to the IDF" mild compared to "death to Arabs"? You can choose to not join or to leave the IDF (it might cost you some jail time, but if that's the price for keeping one's soul, so be it). You can at the very least not self-identify with it and distance yourself from what it has become. Basically, there are many off ramps out of the IDF. There are no ramps off of existing as an Arab.
You can choose to not join or to leave the IDF (it might cost you some jail time, but if that’s the price for keeping one’s soul, so be it). You can’t choose to not be an Arab.
I see this delusional and out of touch argument being made all over the internet, and it's so damn annoying. These takes are always from chronically online larpers who never leave the comfort of their house, they always say shit like:
"why don't people of Iran just overthrow the theocracy?"
"why don't the people of North Korea just topple the Kim dynasty?"
"why don't Russian conscripts just refuse to fight in Ukraine?"
"why don't Israelis just refuse to be in the IDF?"
"why don't Americans just have a revolution?"
Could it be because that reality is not that simple? It's easy to sit there in your dark room all day dreaming about being a heroic revolutionary, but in reality? You wouldn't do shit because you understand that the consequences are a lot harsher in reality than in your imagination. This over simplistic view of the world just boils away the complexity and nuance of humanity. Nobody is willing to risk their freedom, stability, future, or life to appear moral or have a "clean soul". When shit gets real and you're in the same position as all these people, you'll end up doing the same as them. If reality was that easy then we wouldn't have tyrannical regimes or wars or exploitation, but we do. Trying to blame a 20 year conscript for being forced to serve in the military by extremist leaders is stupid and unhelpful. They're not making the situation better, but it's also not their fault they're in that position in the first place.
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Exactly. That's what many people don't realize. Hamas atrocities are themselves a product of Israeli Jewish-supremacist occupation apartheid. There are multiple instances in history where occupation and subjugation has brutalized a population to the point of themselves becoming butchers when given the chance. From Boudicca, to King Phillip's War, to the late excesses of the Haitian Revolution, to Nat Turner's rebellion, to the early days of the Greek Revolution, and even Terror periods of the French and Russian Revolutions. These excesses and atrocities are not to be glorified, but they must be understood as really sad outcomes of the pre-existing brutal regime. It's always chickens coming home to roost, and in fact it's usually a wonder that the atrocities are not worse.
Hamas committed horrible atrocities on October 7th. Was anyone really surprised they did so however? These were an outcome of decades of brutal occupation.
Hell, I'll even say something very controversial: Israeli atrocities themselves are the outcome of the extraordinary brutalization of Jews in the decades preceding the founding of Israel. Hitler is laughing in hell. This is his intergenerational evil at work, 80 years after he bit his luger.
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You can choose to not join or to leave the IDF (it might cost you some jail time, but if that’s the price for keeping one’s soul, so be it). You can’t choose to not be an Arab.
I see this delusional and out of touch argument being made all over the internet, and it's so damn annoying. These takes are always from chronically online larpers who never leave the comfort of their house, they always say shit like:
"why don't people of Iran just overthrow the theocracy?"
"why don't the people of North Korea just topple the Kim dynasty?"
"why don't Russian conscripts just refuse to fight in Ukraine?"
"why don't Israelis just refuse to be in the IDF?"
"why don't Americans just have a revolution?"
Could it be because that reality is not that simple? It's easy to sit there in your dark room all day dreaming about being a heroic revolutionary, but in reality? You wouldn't do shit because you understand that the consequences are a lot harsher in reality than in your imagination. This over simplistic view of the world just boils away the complexity and nuance of humanity. Nobody is willing to risk their freedom, stability, future, or life to appear moral or have a "clean soul". When shit gets real and you're in the same position as all these people, you'll end up doing the same as them. If reality was that easy then we wouldn't have tyrannical regimes or wars or exploitation, but we do. Trying to blame a 20 year conscript for being forced to serve in the military by extremist leaders is stupid and unhelpful. They're not making the situation better, but it's also not their fault they're in that position in the first place.
I edited my comment since I made it. Here is the newer version. Bold the bit that I think adresses your concern.
Edit: why is "death to the IDF" mild compared to "death to Arabs"? You can choose to not join or to leave the IDF (it might cost you some jail time, but if that's the price for keeping one's soul, so be it). You can at the very least not self-identify with it and distance yourself from what it has become. Basically, there are many off ramps out of the IDF. There are no ramps off of existing as an Arab.
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You can choose to not join or to leave the IDF (it might cost you some jail time, but if that’s the price for keeping one’s soul, so be it). You can’t choose to not be an Arab.
I see this delusional and out of touch argument being made all over the internet, and it's so damn annoying. These takes are always from chronically online larpers who never leave the comfort of their house, they always say shit like:
"why don't people of Iran just overthrow the theocracy?"
"why don't the people of North Korea just topple the Kim dynasty?"
"why don't Russian conscripts just refuse to fight in Ukraine?"
"why don't Israelis just refuse to be in the IDF?"
"why don't Americans just have a revolution?"
Could it be because that reality is not that simple? It's easy to sit there in your dark room all day dreaming about being a heroic revolutionary, but in reality? You wouldn't do shit because you understand that the consequences are a lot harsher in reality than in your imagination. This over simplistic view of the world just boils away the complexity and nuance of humanity. Nobody is willing to risk their freedom, stability, future, or life to appear moral or have a "clean soul". When shit gets real and you're in the same position as all these people, you'll end up doing the same as them. If reality was that easy then we wouldn't have tyrannical regimes or wars or exploitation, but we do. Trying to blame a 20 year conscript for being forced to serve in the military by extremist leaders is stupid and unhelpful. They're not making the situation better, but it's also not their fault they're in that position in the first place.
By the way, do apply the same logic to the Hamas fighters.
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The government has "strongly condemned" chants at Glastonbury Festival from rap punk duo Bob Vylan calling for "death" to the Israeli military and broadcast live on the BBC.
Rapper Bobby Vylan led chants of "free, free Palestine" and "death, death to the IDF [Israel Defense Forces]" during their set, which came just before Belfast rap trio Kneecap.
A BBC spokesperson said some of the comments were "deeply offensive", adding it had issued a warning on screen about "very strong and discriminatory language". The set will not be available to rewatch on BBC iPlayer.
Police said they were reviewing videos of comments made by Bob Vylan and Kneecap to decide whether any offences had been committed.
80k dead and 130k injured, starvation, displacement, murdered by settlers.
But a chant is "deeply offensive". Take your fucking offense, fold it until it's all sharp corners and shove it up your ass, BBC.
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You can choose to not join or to leave the IDF (it might cost you some jail time, but if that’s the price for keeping one’s soul, so be it). You can’t choose to not be an Arab.
I see this delusional and out of touch argument being made all over the internet, and it's so damn annoying. These takes are always from chronically online larpers who never leave the comfort of their house, they always say shit like:
"why don't people of Iran just overthrow the theocracy?"
"why don't the people of North Korea just topple the Kim dynasty?"
"why don't Russian conscripts just refuse to fight in Ukraine?"
"why don't Israelis just refuse to be in the IDF?"
"why don't Americans just have a revolution?"
Could it be because that reality is not that simple? It's easy to sit there in your dark room all day dreaming about being a heroic revolutionary, but in reality? You wouldn't do shit because you understand that the consequences are a lot harsher in reality than in your imagination. This over simplistic view of the world just boils away the complexity and nuance of humanity. Nobody is willing to risk their freedom, stability, future, or life to appear moral or have a "clean soul". When shit gets real and you're in the same position as all these people, you'll end up doing the same as them. If reality was that easy then we wouldn't have tyrannical regimes or wars or exploitation, but we do. Trying to blame a 20 year conscript for being forced to serve in the military by extremist leaders is stupid and unhelpful. They're not making the situation better, but it's also not their fault they're in that position in the first place.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You can totally not join the IDF there are many people not doing it it just strips you off the opportunity to get lucrative army jobs and you are definitely being stigmatized in Israeli society and potentially even your own family, but you are not risking your personal safety by not joining this genocidal apartheid occupation force. It’s a question of taking a stand. Do you want to be at the very least complicit in war crimes being committed, yes or no?
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The government has "strongly condemned" chants at Glastonbury Festival from rap punk duo Bob Vylan calling for "death" to the Israeli military and broadcast live on the BBC.
Rapper Bobby Vylan led chants of "free, free Palestine" and "death, death to the IDF [Israel Defense Forces]" during their set, which came just before Belfast rap trio Kneecap.
A BBC spokesperson said some of the comments were "deeply offensive", adding it had issued a warning on screen about "very strong and discriminatory language". The set will not be available to rewatch on BBC iPlayer.
Police said they were reviewing videos of comments made by Bob Vylan and Kneecap to decide whether any offences had been committed.
"Death, death, to the IDF!"
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Death to the idf
Who removed this? Death to the IDF is a call for defense, not a call for violence. Death to the IDF. The IDF is an organization. Death to that doesn't have to mean violence. If the Israeli government would disband the IDF that would be a death of the IDF.
But let me be clear, soldiers committing genocide should be stopped by all means possible. Death to the IDF and the soldiers enacting genocide.
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That does not make Hamas any less of an terrorist organization.
Is that case israel and the united states are also terrorists right?
