Ukraine’s Top Military Leadership: We Are Starting to Win, Russia Is Starting to Lose
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Serving sopa de macaco to the troops?
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if you go on reddit to certain pro-russian combat footage subs dedicated to the war, you'll see one or two new videos a week of Ukrainian men being kidnapped off of the streets and stuffed into a van
they really are taking people off the streets there. they're low on manpower and the men remaining are all those that don't want to die so they've been ignoring any draft summons. so the Ukrainian gov has been resorting to increasingly brutal measures.
i'm honestly just so glad i wasn't born in post-soviet slavic country , lol. i swear the value of life there is not nearly what it is here. on the Russian side they'll force thousands of men forwards into a meat grinder trying to win with pure brute force. if a soldier tries to go backwards, the Russians themselves will shoot you as a motivation for the others to go forwards. hundreds of thousands of men dead or maimed for what? a couple miles of land a day?
then on the Ukrainian side they'll keep you defending some worthless piece of land forever as all the supply lines slowly close around you. once you're cut off, you know you and the wounded with you are all gonna die. command promised reinforcements when they had no intention of sending reinforcements. to them though, the political benefit of holding onto that land for just a little longer is worth more than the lives of real human beings. you are a soldier and you are expendable. (this also coincidentally makes it harder to get fresh recruitment because ukrainian men aren't stupid and propaganda can only hide so many deaths)
i've seen confirmed cases of both sides killing POWs. men walking out of a trench with their hands up surrendering just to get mowed down anyways. men trying to surrender to drones only to get blown up anyways.
war is hell. it's barbaric and highlights the absolute worst nature of humanity.
having said all that, yeah the commenter does seem like an astroturfer or at least a biased pro-russian poster if organic. but the statement with ukrainians being kidnapped, at least from what I've seen, is true. it has been happening at increasing frequencies
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Says Kyivpost.
Lines on the map seem to very slowly move in Russia's favor and Russia's "leadership" doesn't care about human cost as long as it allows further operation of their state.
It's their job to study strengths and weaknesses, so the quote is kinda stupid. Whether they are aware of anything can be said only retrospectively.
I just don't see where Russia is losing, I live in Russia and every year since 2022 people (sometimes not the dumbest kind, but with age comes naivete, and everyone is naive outside of their immediate profession) around me would say how Russian economy and\or defenses are going to crumble soon because of this war.
And before that since 2020 how they are going to crumble because of inability to adapt.
And before that because of sanctions, yes, what was called sanctions then was seriously talked about.
And before that because stealing elections is unpopular and generally immoral.
And before that because Putin will certainly lose an election, right?
It just doesn't work like that.
In Russia there's an expression "глубинный народ" (something like "depths' people" or "deep people", hard to translate), meaning some consistent deep popular feeling about something, it's usually ascribed barbaric feelings, like only caring how the rest of the world fears your nukes or hating everyone intelligent.
But it's also sometimes ascribed wisdom. For example, about prophets predicting the death of Russia's regime all by itself one day. Some of those prophets being children of the previous generation of that regime, supposedly separated from the current generation, but after becoming irrelevant coming back to their herd, like Sobchak.
Things are achieved when people work to achieve them, and with the amount of work they take, not the honest amount, not the amount those people can possibly do. Life is not honest.
Russia is not losing this war. It might reformat it into some kind of frozen conflict.
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Uma delicia
But they were serving 7.62s to the russians for sure, there was a lot of combat footage coming from the Kreminna Forest where they were holding the line. -
A friend's father got kidnapped by the state here in sweden due to not showing up for draft... It does sound way worse with those words though
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It is good for the working class in Russia and by Russian standards. These economic analysis tell us that all else equal we cannot expect Russian civil disobedience at this stage. Ironically it does mean a palace coup is more likely due to the brunt being held by Oligarchs. As for long term benefits? Hard to say, but people live today not tomorrow. Today the Russian working class is going to eat better than yesterday.
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Best soup ever xd sadly, they don't seem to serve them at the Brasilian restaurant in my city
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Who were they "taking the east" from?
What is the threat to Russia's existence?
You have this backwards. The war is existential for Ukrainians. Russians decided to annex Crimea, and then luhansk and Donesk. When Kiev caught for it's own territory, the Russians went for the capitol and attempted to overthrow the whole country.
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The east is mostly ethnic Russians Donbass and Luhansk.
And the South too.
Unfortunately they couldn't resist and after horrible crimes by fascist thugs (such as burning 47 civilians alive) theyhad to give up.The threat to Russia’s existence?
Have you looked at a map?
Ukraine in nato would make defense impossible from nukes.
That is too close to Moscow to react.
That is a red line and that was known for decades by the west.https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html
Russia did not 'annex' Crimea.
They are also ethnic Russians, only have been ukro oficially for some decades.
They have always voted to go back to Russia in referendums loooong before this war.
Especially after when they were discriminated against.All these are verifiable facts, you could know all this with some effort and not only consume US garbage news.
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It's pretty much certain Putin has more idea about how long than we do, so probably, yeah.
That being said, the big factor is Trump. Ukraine can no longer rely on US assistance, and Putin thinks he might give him a more favourable deal somehow, so that's incentive for both sides to wrap it up.
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you’ll see one or two new videos a week of Ukrainian men being kidnapped off of the streets and stuffed into a van
When it's the police, we just call it "detained", even though it's the same thing. Saying "kidnapping" and "brutal measures" is a little saucy when this is exactly how the police where I live operate, too. We don't have conscription or a war on right now, but we have in the past, and we might in the future.
the political benefit of holding onto that land for just a little longer is worth more than the lives of real human beings. you are a soldier and you are expendable
That's pretty much the job description of a soldier. For example, this describes the recent American wars. They had lower tolerance for casualties, but that's just because it was an optional war rather than an existential one.
It was less that OP pointed out this stuff, and more that their "friend in Kiev" apparently phones them up about this and doesn't mention anything about the Russians who are perpetuating all this and could leave at any time.
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What does the ethnicity of the inhabitants of the eastern provinces have to do with national borders? Does Mexico have claims to Texas and California? Should the US conquer Canada because of the 10's of thousands of US natives living there?
If Ukraine was abusing it's population it should be censored, sanctioned, it's leaders prosecuted for crimes against international law, but invasion is worse than anything short of genocide. The people of Donesk and Luhansk have had their many of their communities completely destroyed. They are not better off because of the war.
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Garbage comparison.
"If Ukraine was abusing it’s population it should be censored, sanctioned, it’s leaders prosecuted for crimes against international law"
Right, they had been doing it since 2014.
That's when "The people of Donesk and Luhansk have had their many of their communities completely destroyed".Somehow the so-called 'rules based order' didn't give a shit.
We all know the international laws don't count as much for US friends like Netanyahu or in this case the proxy fascists they armed and trained.
This is from 2016 and you can find plenty of evidence of this or the west training literal fascists to do this.
https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf
I guess CNN didn't show that.After all most suckers only know the war started when ebil Ruzzia invaded the poor peace loving ukranians out of nowhere.
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They had lower tolerance for casualties, but that’s just because it was an optional war rather than an existential one.
Lower tolerance for casualties is a bit of an understatement. Over the course of 5 years or so there were less than 5,000 American deaths. Since 2022, we're looking at a very conservative at least 100k dead from just the Russian side. The more generous estimates have 200k+ dead on both sides.
We're talking at least an order of magnitude difference
That’s pretty much the job description of a soldier
When military strategy is controlled by the generals, they will prioritize manpower over political goals. When military strategy is controlled by the political regime, political goals become more important.
Retreating from a piece of land that has little strategic significance is the correct move so that you conserve resources and manpower. A soldier is a human being, a life. Not only does this have some sort of moral worth and should not be thrown away recklessly, it has real strategic value.
Both Russia and Ukraine in this war have made awe-inspiringly bad decisions at specific points. If I were a man who was being compelled to serve in either army, I would run away as far as possible.
It was less that OP pointed out this stuff, and more that their “friend in Kiev” apparently phones them up about this and doesn’t mention anything about the Russians who are perpetuating all this and could leave at any time.
I agree.
