I'm gonna mute this one
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Why do you believe I see homeless people as less than myself? Quite a lot of people are only a short term breakdown away from being homeless, especially in ultra capitalist places like the US. Certainly they need help, but help is not always directly available, and you want to argue that while they look for help, making the world as hostile as possible is a good thing? And then you try to gaslight me with that? I think you need help.
Well you do seem Keen to insist in enabling a dangerous and damaging behavior in them
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Fuck you.
Ah yes, petty insults
The leftist huckster's crutch
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I would prefer shelter and no anti-homeless architecture. But I get that you prefer anti-homeless architecture and no shelter, since we're being uncharitable.
I live in a country where if you don't have a job the government will pay for your rent and utilities, indefinitely.
Additionally, I have a deal with them as well: If they don't sleep on the benches I will not sit in their beds. Works wonders.
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pros of sleeping on concrete: heat from underground. cons: mice
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Ive always put it in the very crude fashion of "They are both going to fuck us, but one of them spits on it and goes in gentle the other one wants us to struggle."
Personally, I'd go with the idea that the Democrats are the ones who fight for brightly-colored warning signs, guardrails, and PPE for the operators of the orphan crushing machine.
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I don't live in the US so I don't have first hand experience but both on lemmy and on reddit it was mostly leftists who were spamming "genocide Biden (without mentioning that trump was even worse)", something about inflation (like it wasn't a global issue) and other issues where gop is clearly worse. All as a reason to not vote Democrat.
Americans don't believe that inflation is a global issue. They think it's a new thing called greedflation [because our country and our time period are exceptional].
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How would sleeping on that bench be any better than the ground even without the arms? If it was cold at all you would freeze from below.
It feels safer to be a bit more above ground level, especially if people walk by
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the thing about Democrats and 'liberals' is that its a broad coalition of ideologies and political groups competing for power and having to compromise. we all want to bring about our vision of society and help people, but small differences lead to huge schisms. also, monied interests have undue amounts of power over our institutions.
conservatives on the other hand are completely united by cruelty and adherence to rigid heirarchies (in spite of how dysfunctional they are), and basically the only issues they ever have in their own base is that something isn't causing enough pain to people they hate.
i feel it is important to hold our representatives accountable, but saying things like both sides are exactly the same or complaining about liberals as if they are one cohesive entity has no value outside of pushing people away from politics. there are VERY specific people and groups that are making very bad decisions for Americans, like AIPAC or other big donors that simultaneously fund people like Andrew Cuomo and Donald Trump
who here said both sides same?
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Both sides currently yell and scream at anyone that doesn’t agree with them unequivocally. I don’t agree with everything liberal, and a few conservative viewpoints I do agree with. But for the most part I consider myself to be a moderate.
But vocalizing that I disagree with how to do something and both sides will either call me a libtard or a MAGAt.
This is something both sides have an issue with. So stop saying both sides is wrong. Here is an example that disproves that statement completely.
All I want is a party by and for the people. Not billionaires. Done with idiocracy and insanity.
All I want is a party by and for the people.
Sounds like you’d be interested in Marxism then.
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pros of sleeping on concrete: heat from underground. cons: mice
Mice are just new friends, chief.
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Ah yes, sharing they have experience working with homeless, how embarrassed they must be
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Claiming that they have experience working with homeless, but demonstrating that they're a callous asshole (and probably very bad at their job, if they aren't outright lying).
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Their talking points were the typical that are considered "leftist" in America (and centrist in Europe): universal Healthcare, free education/forgiving student debt, etc. Whether they were bots or not is impossible to say in this day and age.
Well, do you think it's at all likely or remotely reasonable that someone who was in favor of universal healthcare and free education would prefer a fascist dictator over a center-right Dem? It may not be possible to know for sure, but there certainly are signs.
Were these people in r/politics or on Facebook by any chance? It's not surprising that the most popular places online to discuss politics would be a prime target for bots and Russians posing as American leftists.
After Biden finally dropped out, I was advocating we try and get anyone other than Harris- someone who might actually win, on the ballot, but that is not the same as saying I would vote for Trump or not Vote.
I can 100% relate to people who didn't want to vote for Harris, I didn't want to vote for her, but our election system gives us very little choice in the matter.
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Do you think there's only 1 charity in north America? What a weird argument to make.
Do you think even all the charities put together come close to fixing the problem? 'Cause they don't, which you would understand if you'd actually bothered to avail yourself of the info you asked for beyond your "short wikipedia scan."
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The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike from sleeping under bridges, begging on the streets and stealing bread.
Anatole France, 1894
Also fines agricultural workers and CEOs the same for speeding on their way to work—except for that Nokia executive that one time & his countrymen
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What makes you think that? Do these not exist in blue states?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Because that bench was deliberately designed to discourage people from sitting there. To make people miserable. So which political party LOVES to be pointlessly cruel?
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Why is this stuff being blamed on liberals and not conservatives all of a sudden? I feel like Trump and the right really succeeded in making you all hate each other while they run off with the country.
In my country at least the conservatives pull this shit, and if anything the liberals go to the other extreme too much, which is “just let homeless people make shanty towns in parks and subways it’s their right” both are stupid but one is very clearly worse in a mora sense
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Mice are just new friends, chief.
Mice are just new meals, chef
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Why is this stuff being blamed on liberals and not conservatives all of a sudden? I feel like Trump and the right really succeeded in making you all hate each other while they run off with the country.
In my country at least the conservatives pull this shit, and if anything the liberals go to the other extreme too much, which is “just let homeless people make shanty towns in parks and subways it’s their right” both are stupid but one is very clearly worse in a mora sense
Conservatives wouldn't build the bench.
Free public spaces don't encourage people to go in to a shop hard enough. You wanna sit down? Starbucks has chairs. Want a sip of water, go buy a bottle.
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I live in a country where if you don't have a job the government will pay for your rent and utilities, indefinitely.
Additionally, I have a deal with them as well: If they don't sleep on the benches I will not sit in their beds. Works wonders.
I live in a country where if you don’t have a job the government will pay for your rent and utilities, indefinitely.
Well, good for you. I live in a country that doesn't. I live in a country where your perspective is classist and callous.
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Do you think even all the charities put together come close to fixing the problem? 'Cause they don't, which you would understand if you'd actually bothered to avail yourself of the info you asked for beyond your "short wikipedia scan."
I'm not that invested in this beyond a quick wiki scan. Sorry to disappoint you righteous rage.
I live in a country where we have a social safety net, so even having charities for such basic problems is weird to begin with. What is even weirder is to rant on the internet about people who are at least trying to solve the problem.
