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MEPs push to strip Hungary’s veto as Orbán defies EU strategy on Ukraine

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    What has stopped them invoking Article 7 until now?

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    It requires unanimity of the other members, Hungary was protected by PiS in Poland (who are also corrupt authoritarians) until they were voted out, there was then a short window of a couple of months where the EU squibbed their chance, then Slovakia replaced their chad Prez with Fico who is also a corrupt authoritarian and the opportunity was lost.

    What they can do is get all the preparatory stuff done and wait to see if Slovakia replace Fico, or (very unlikely but not impossible) the challenger to Orban manages to win. If neither happens then giving Fico a bigger bribe than Putin does is the last resort.

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      It's already a two step process with the first step requiring some kind of evidence that the country in question is breaching the founding values of the EU. If they are then the first step is about giving them a warning. If they can't show they're still in line with the founding values then you get to step 2 where the EU effectively unilaterally agree to revoke the rights.

      I've already glossed over some nuances but I think it should already be evident that process is far from easy and it's definitely not fast. I also don't remember if the EU has ever even gotten to the first step. I think the closest they've gotten with Hungary is considering the possibility of proposing a breach of values, which is just a bunch of nothing.

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      Evidence is already clear and has been "approved" (for lack of a better word). Orban has already had funding frozen and fines imposed for various breaches

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        I’d be surprised if Fico wouldn’t have Orbáns back in this case, though.

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        He's already made it clear that he is aligned with Putain and Orban, so yeah, it's the current barrier

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          Evidence is already clear and has been "approved" (for lack of a better word). Orban has already had funding frozen and fines imposed for various breaches

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          I agree, but it seems there's no group of politicians willing to invoke article 7 when it comes to Hungary.

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            I’d be surprised if Fico wouldn’t have Orbáns back in this case, though.

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            Theres always someone opposing it. It was poland but they got their shit together, now its slovakia, in the future its gonna be someone else. We have a chance to fix this inside hungary with the next elections as now we have an opposition party that has some chance to win the election. Well see what happens.

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              I agree, but it seems there's no group of politicians willing to invoke article 7 when it comes to Hungary.

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              Well there are clearly some their names are in the article at the top of the thread. It's more a question of how many.

              It's been squibbed for years, maybe now Europe has recognised the other threats they'll deal with this 5th columnist along the way.

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                Well there are clearly some their names are in the article at the top of the thread. It's more a question of how many.

                It's been squibbed for years, maybe now Europe has recognised the other threats they'll deal with this 5th columnist along the way.

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                Oh yeah, my bad. I was thinking about the past not the present.

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                  It requires unanimity of the other members, Hungary was protected by PiS in Poland (who are also corrupt authoritarians) until they were voted out, there was then a short window of a couple of months where the EU squibbed their chance, then Slovakia replaced their chad Prez with Fico who is also a corrupt authoritarian and the opportunity was lost.

                  What they can do is get all the preparatory stuff done and wait to see if Slovakia replace Fico, or (very unlikely but not impossible) the challenger to Orban manages to win. If neither happens then giving Fico a bigger bribe than Putin does is the last resort.

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                  Don't take Meloni for granted.

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                    Oh no. The EU will lose 1 out of dozens of members which is literally not a democracy anymore, instead of actually upholding its values of democracy

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                      It requires unanimity of the other members, Hungary was protected by PiS in Poland (who are also corrupt authoritarians) until they were voted out, there was then a short window of a couple of months where the EU squibbed their chance, then Slovakia replaced their chad Prez with Fico who is also a corrupt authoritarian and the opportunity was lost.

                      What they can do is get all the preparatory stuff done and wait to see if Slovakia replace Fico, or (very unlikely but not impossible) the challenger to Orban manages to win. If neither happens then giving Fico a bigger bribe than Putin does is the last resort.

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                      It requires unanimity of the other members, Hungary was protected by PiS in Poland (who are also corrupt authoritarians) until they were voted out, there was then a short window of a couple of months where the EU squibbed their chance, then Slovakia replaced their chad Prez with Fico who is also a corrupt authoritarian and the opportunity was lost.

                      Your timeline doesn't work:

                      • the Morawiecki II government was in office until November 27, 2023
                      • the Fico IV government was in office from October 25, 2023

                      There was an overlap rather than a gap.

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