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Trump threatens 'far larger' tariffs if EU and Canada unite to do 'economic harm' to the U.S.

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  • neme@lemm.eeN [email protected]
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    Trump is like a doll and when you squeeze it all it says: "Tariffs!"

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      I'm sorry, but I completely disagree. I don't see any evidence for this vassal worldview (apart from extreme cases like Belarus and Russia). Without that first assumption the whole premise falls apart.

      Even assuming the main characters (MC) and vassals idea is true to reality, the rest of the argument is flimsy at best. Even if a MC loses a vassal through mismanagement or foreign interference, that doesn't automatically mean that the vassal has a new MC overlord. They could be in a limbo state where some of the MCs are vying for control.

      As for Trump, I think it's much less of a stretch to assume that Trump loves the sound of his own voice and what better way to hear his own voice than to create sound bites, hence the 51st state nonsense. If anything Trump's actions say to me that he has NO capacity for the mental mapping required to envision this kind of complex interweaving of interests and angles that is geopolitics. I find it even less likely that this is the one he would subscribe to.

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      Maybe vassals is too strong-worded to describe the phenomenon. But living in western Europe I have firsthand experience in the relationship between the US and my country in the past decades. The US offered protection to the "free world", but of course this comes at a price. The US had to be regarded as a role model in many ways, and everything that came out of the US, was copied and implemented verbatim. Which made the US the de facto puppet master and they really liked that role. This relationship was carefully orchestrated and nurtured by the US from the end of WW2 onwards, and the effect was that European countries embraced this strategy and viewed the US in a positive light, no obvious power play or bullying necessary. But the fact is, there always was a strong dependency on the US, and this was by US design.

      Trump doesn't realize that there was good reason for choosing such a "soft" strategy, he can't because bullying is his only available tactic. He will soon find out that his perceived european vassal states don't respond as well to hostility and blackmail as he might have expected.

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        Maybe vassals is too strong-worded to describe the phenomenon. But living in western Europe I have firsthand experience in the relationship between the US and my country in the past decades. The US offered protection to the "free world", but of course this comes at a price. The US had to be regarded as a role model in many ways, and everything that came out of the US, was copied and implemented verbatim. Which made the US the de facto puppet master and they really liked that role. This relationship was carefully orchestrated and nurtured by the US from the end of WW2 onwards, and the effect was that European countries embraced this strategy and viewed the US in a positive light, no obvious power play or bullying necessary. But the fact is, there always was a strong dependency on the US, and this was by US design.

        Trump doesn't realize that there was good reason for choosing such a "soft" strategy, he can't because bullying is his only available tactic. He will soon find out that his perceived european vassal states don't respond as well to hostility and blackmail as he might have expected.

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        I see what you're saying, although I think it was a joint effort by the US and the EU. And it was short-sighted on both their parts.

        The EU is feeling the heat that comes from a lapse in personal security and the US will find out that they aren't the power they thought they were without their allies.

        If Trump isn't corrected it could all come crashing down for the US and the EU.

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          Hey dipshit (not OP), the whole point of tariffs is to reduce imports. Of course a, sane person would ramp them up over time to allow any domestic production the chance to fill the gaps.

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          Why would you want to reduce imports anyway?

          “China is sending us cheap cars! What are we gonna do?!”

          Idk man, drive the cars and use the money you saved for something else? Seems like a good deal to me.

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            Counting 9:

            https://lemm.ee/post/59609761 in News on lemmy.world (archived NYTimes)
            https://lemm.ee/post/59609758 in World News on lemmy.world (archived NYTimes)
            https://lemmy.wtf/post/18687996 in World News on lemmy.world (NYTimes)
            https://lemm.ee/post/59602266 in World News on lemmy.world (CNBC)
            https://lemmy.world/post/27449187 in Europe on feddit.org (NYTimes)
            https://lemmy.world/post/27449188 in Economics on lemmy.world (CNBC)
            https://lemmit.online/post/5503734 in World News on lemmit.online (CNBC)
            https://lemmy.zip/post/34983571 in World News on quokk.au (CNBC)
            https://lemmy.wtf/post/18680610 in Economy on lemmey.world (CNBC)

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            Ouch ! ... + it will get worse over time
            one more at :
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            https://lemmy.world/post/27457780
            (NYTimes)

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              Why would you want to reduce imports anyway?

              “China is sending us cheap cars! What are we gonna do?!”

              Idk man, drive the cars and use the money you saved for something else? Seems like a good deal to me.

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              They are often done to ensure local production of critical infrastructure or to compensate foreign markets from subsidizing their exports

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                The only person doing economic harm to the US is him.

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                  I agree. He seems to think countries should be paying tribute to the US.

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                  No "seems" necessary. Just look at him and Vance berating Zelenskyy for not thanking them.

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                    They are often done to ensure local production of critical infrastructure or to compensate foreign markets from subsidizing their exports

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                    I get the premise, it just seems silly. If a foreign company wants to give you steeply-discounted stuff, it seems like you ought to take the cheap stuff and enjoy it rather than worry about being unable to sell the same stuff as cheaply.

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                      I'm pretty sure that was deliberate. Bush didn't want a soundbite of him saying shame on me.

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                      Yeah, it's really a rare instance of quick thinking on his part (relatively)

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                        "I plan to shoot myself on the dick EVEN HARDER this time"

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                          Ding ding ding. We have a winner

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                          Not that I am doubting this as a tactic but has this been reported in my any large organisations?

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                            Exactly, he doesn't know how to negotiate because a negotiation involves give and take. Trump has only ever known take, take, take

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                            This song describes this mentality well

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                              Yeah, it's really a rare instance of quick thinking on his part (relatively)

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                              Even a blind hen finds the corn some of the time.

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                                Yet another thing that is beyond our willfully ignorant American Republican's comprehension.

                                Adults cooperate with others who are open to mutually beneficial cooperation. Babies (and largely seniors past 70 as we become very similar to our sunrise at the sunset of life) kick and scream demanding to get their way the way they want it.

                                I'm a 40 year old manchild who collects movie props and even I know that.

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                                  The trump regime’s only purpose is to TANK the US economy so that stocks, businesses, and industries can be bought by billionaires at rock bottom prices.

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                                  They are the ones already owning the companies. It's not like the middle class had much of the ownership lol

                                  "The bottom 90% of Americans own approximately 7% to 11% of all stocks. This highlights the significant concentration of stock ownership among the wealthiest individuals in the U.S. ."

                                  Trump is hurting the rich. Which is hilarious because it's not like he has anyone else's interests in mind ahahaha

                                  Oh yeah, his top buddy Putin

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                                    The word is "crybully"

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                                    Putin's idiot cuck.

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                                      Well I really hope we don’t get the conservatives in in this coming election so we can actually help the rest of the world fight back against this piece of shit and his stupid fuck ass country.

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                                      Honestly the one silver lining with America's current shitshow is that it turned a near-certain Conservative majority into a likely Conservative loss.

                                      I just hope the rest of the world is ready to help us fight back

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                                        US: Bashes Canada for no reason. Starts a trade war.

                                        Canada: Makes new trade partners.

                                        US: Canada how dare you find other trade partners! Come back here so I can bash you again!

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                                          Not that I am doubting this as a tactic but has this been reported in my any large organisations?

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                                          No, because it's speculation.

                                          It's far more comfortable to think it's being done for some malicious reason rather than out of stupidity or fear.

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