This is madness
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First of all, I meant what I wrote. Outside of being forced to wake up early for business hours, I wake up naturally an hour or two after the sun comes up. Right now I get up about when the sun comes up, but early and late in DST the sun doesn't even come up until after I have left for work. So no sun early in the morning before work except right now.
Second, if the sun goes down at 8 pm instead of 9 pm because of DST, it is cooler at 8 pm. If I didn't have to follow DST for work then it wouldn't matter because I could just stay up later and wake up later, but that isn't what we are talking about.
The rest of the world stays up in the summer because of DST. Also, I am expressing my opinion, not the opinion of the world's average. Also, I go to sleep around midnight because the sun is up so fucking late during DST, and then have to drag my ass out of bed in the morning because the sun doesn't come up at the natural time.
If they are sleeping based on the sun, they would probably go to bed earlier and get up earlier, right? It would be easier with the sun going down earlier in the evening!
Those averages have nothing to do with summer. In fact many of those locations don’t obey daylight saving time at all, so no, your point is just incorrect. I understand you are stating your opinion, but your opinion would affect the vast majority of the planet in a negative way. Having people drive to work in the dark is a much better outcome for the majority of the planet than having it get dark when the majority of the planet is doing activities unrelated to work.
Most people don’t sleep based on the sun, they sleep based on their work schedule. That’s why DST is superior, because work schedules will just move earlier to make sure that they’re capturing when people are first waking up, you’ll never get rid of that. What you can do is make it so that it’s light when people are performing after school activities, club sports, events, hanging out with friends, etc.
You can always use blackout curtains, so any argument about sleep is never going to be relevant to this conversation. What is relevant is work and play.
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I think that most winter lovers/summer haters live fairly south (like, not in areas north enough for taiga or tundra) and have never experienced a real winter. Come back to me when you have spent 5 months with only a few hours of sunlight, streets slippery as hell, barely any vegetation or animals, and being cold as hell.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I lived in Fairbanks, AK for almost three years. I've also lived in Bethel for a little over a year and spent about 6 months in Barrow. I grew up in Anchorage. If I could afford to have seasonal houses, my summer home would be in Barrow and my winter home would be in Fairbanks.
Fuck anywhere that gets above 65F at any point during the year. It's currently 62F in Anchorage and while it's bearable, it's bordering on becoming miserable.
Fuck Summer and the Sun it rode in on.
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I love that, thank you very much.
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I think that most winter lovers/summer haters live fairly south (like, not in areas north enough for taiga or tundra) and have never experienced a real winter. Come back to me when you have spent 5 months with only a few hours of sunlight, streets slippery as hell, barely any vegetation or animals, and being cold as hell.
I think it's a bit hard to live further south than Punta Arenas but I loved winter there despite it being far from warm.
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Better than winter depression. Better than recognizing it's getting dark, wondering where the day has gone but it's only 16:30. Better than waking up in the darkness and realising it's still two or three hours till sunrise. Better than going to work before the sun rises and getting home after it sets, only seeing the sun like an image, a distant promise when looking out the window at work.
My depression goes away in the Winter. Come summer I get seasonal agression and hide in the basement.
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There’s plenty of temperate locations, sounds like you just haven’t bothered to look. I live in one, but it’s in America so I wouldn’t suggest that to anyone not already here. I’m guessing further north in the uk or in Northern Ireland you would find plenty of temperate regions.
wrote last edited by [email protected]again hur dur just move bro it was temperate here 10 years ago you think it won't be hotter in the north soon even if I wanted to move I live in social housing on disability and am reliant on help from my family just moving to the other side of the country to avoid summer isn't an option also I've lived in the north when I went there for school it was pretty damn hot there in the summer not as bad but it was not that much cooler
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I wish, Toronto is too far east in its timezone so the sun is up too early and goes down too early
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I can't wait to finally have winter again. Thanks, this brought a tear to my eye.
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I don't care about the sun being up at 9 or 10 still.
I hate the god damn heat! Get this climate change under control!
That’s a hard ask of the stupids of the world.
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I lived in Fairbanks, AK for almost three years. I've also lived in Bethel for a little over a year and spent about 6 months in Barrow. I grew up in Anchorage. If I could afford to have seasonal houses, my summer home would be in Barrow and my winter home would be in Fairbanks.
Fuck anywhere that gets above 65F at any point during the year. It's currently 62F in Anchorage and while it's bearable, it's bordering on becoming miserable.
Fuck Summer and the Sun it rode in on.
That sounds so amazing. Air temperature outside my car driving back from the store was 114F a few minutes ago. You can't go outside, you can't get fresh air into your house, and the a/c runs full blast 24/7 just to hit 72F inside, until the power grid fails, again, because it's more profitable to not properly maintain the equipment. I need to get out of here. Texas sucks.
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More like 1:30 PM, during midwinter.
The long dark near the Arctic circle... -
The time doesn’t affect the weather. It’s still going to be hot or cold out for the exact same length of time. Time zone changes only affect whether you’re working or playing at those times. I’d rather have the option than be forced to be working when the sun is out.
Living by our kinda-bullshit abstractions we made to describe reality and avoid deeper understanding as if that were material reality, in defiance of material reality.
You live in a waking lie, you drown in a sea of bullshit, you propagate a cognitive disease. Please stop.
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Your logic doesn’t make sense. In other threads you’re arguing that you can’t go out when it’s hot, so stay inside instead. That’s how you get ready for bed anyway, by staying inside. How does the sunsun staying up later change your night routine at all?
Guess what it does do? Make afternoon outdoor activities much safer. Biking, rock climbing, running, literally any outdoor activity is much safer in daylight.
Youre assuming
- I never want to go outside. That it would be healthy to do that.
I want to avoid the sun. Dinner outside at my favorite restaurant, fucking on a famous homophobe's grave, third outdoor activity normal people do.
2A. Afternoon activities
So do them in rhe afternoon during the two hours it's light out!
2B. Safer!
Heat and heat stroke are hazards too.
- Staying inside is good for sleeping anyway
Not everyone lives like you. Im gonna use the only time it feels nice to go outside to go outside, instead of rotting in bed forever.
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What tropic are you from?
Yeah that's the only place it ever gets that hot.
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We're at 40 currently, it's very hard to breathe
I am informed by day/summwr people that you just need cla gatorade and itll be fine.
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Especially those times of year where you're in the office before the sun rises, and leave after it sets. Oh, and you work in a windowless room.
Been there. Starting at 7:30am, before dawn. Finishing at 4:30pm, after sunset. Fine I'll just go without any daylight for 5 days per week then.
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I think that most winter lovers/summer haters live fairly south (like, not in areas north enough for taiga or tundra) and have never experienced a real winter. Come back to me when you have spent 5 months with only a few hours of sunlight, streets slippery as hell, barely any vegetation or animals, and being cold as hell.
Have you never heard of Antarctica?
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I love the long days lol
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Youre assuming
- I never want to go outside. That it would be healthy to do that.
I want to avoid the sun. Dinner outside at my favorite restaurant, fucking on a famous homophobe's grave, third outdoor activity normal people do.
2A. Afternoon activities
So do them in rhe afternoon during the two hours it's light out!
2B. Safer!
Heat and heat stroke are hazards too.
- Staying inside is good for sleeping anyway
Not everyone lives like you. Im gonna use the only time it feels nice to go outside to go outside, instead of rotting in bed forever.
Your logic gets more and more obtuse. You want to go outside, but you want to avoid the sun, you want to do activities outside, but only in a two hour timespan (completely ignoring commuting and that many activities take longer than that). You talk about heat stroke like it’s happening to every single person who goes outside.
Not everyone lives like you. Im gonna use the only time it feels nice to go outside to go outside, instead of rotting in bed forever.
This comment makes even less sense. You want to be outside, but you don’t want sun, but you want to sleep when it’s 8 pm, but that’s the coolest time of the day if it’s not dst. Like seriously, none of your argument makes sense. And fyi, I spend the majority of my day outside. Even working from home, I’ll work in a hammock outside. But I’m also not the average person. The average person commutes to a location to work and then has to come back home, get ready for their activities and then go from there. All of your suggestions are completely at odds with that.
And fyi, shade exists. This is honestly one of the most troll conversations I’ve ever participated in, acting like the sun burns you the second you step outside and you want to be outside without the sun. If you want to be outside without the sun then go out when it’s dark. You can wake up at your normal 5am time and get a great amount of dark cool weather. And the rest of us can live normally.
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Living by our kinda-bullshit abstractions we made to describe reality and avoid deeper understanding as if that were material reality, in defiance of material reality.
You live in a waking lie, you drown in a sea of bullshit, you propagate a cognitive disease. Please stop.
You have a problem dude. You can’t even form coherent sentences, much less come up with an argument that works for yourself much less the majority of people on earth.
