Voting in the threadiverse
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you can’t downvote just wrong information anymore.
If "wrong information" can be properly defined, then either you challenge it (by responding, calling it out) or by reporting it. Downvoting it just because it you think it is not appropriate is a recipe for creating echo chambers.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]The problem then is that by responding, you're engaging with it which typically helps it spread in the algorithms*. Ideally there should be multiple downvote options - maybe separate it out as "misinformation" vs "bad opinion" or something. Removing downvotes and banning users who disagree is the typical cult strategy (recall the classic cult sub, r/thedonald, was notorious for this). If you're worried about downvotes being used to silence people, maybe another way to mitigate that would be a "sort by downvoted" option so that being downvoted a lot could actually put you at the top of at least that feed.
*On Lemmy, notice the following:
Active (default): Calculates a rank based on the score and time of the latest comment, with decay over time
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Hi,
i want to explore the various way we can highlight content.
Currently, on the threadiverse, we use vote to show our approval, discontent...and we can couple it with a bot for moderation. Or hide post below a certain score...
Some instance completly removed downvote as Beehaw. Piefed is experimenting private vote. On other fediverse software, mastodon, iceshrimp, there is no downvote and we use emojis to express our feelings.
You also have website as https://slashdot.org/ where you can tell that comment was insightfull or a troll, or funny...
There is also also website that compare software or video as https://tournesol.app/
- Do you think vote sould be private ? Public ? And why ?
- Are you sastified with the current voting system ? And why ?
- What other interesting software/website that tried something different do you know ?
- What way do you imagine to highlight content and improve search, discoverability ?
Do you think vote sould be private ? Public ? And why ?
I believe vote should be visible by anyone as the modlog. It allow us to mitigate raid, troll, mod abuse. However, i'm aware it could lead to potential issue as mod abuse, harrassement...
Are you sastified with the current voting system ? And why ?
No. I'm not sastified because vote aim was to highlight content. Currently, It partly achieve that goal. The content is highlighted because it is popular. For me, there is some kind of social and cultural pressure.
So i think we can explore it. Slashdot seems a good example as it separate funny comment to more serious one and troll. I would like to highlight technical comment and good website source.
Having a list of blocked website and the reason would be great. We can also limit downvote to subscriber and certain users. PieFed already do that.
It would be great to add emojis, as in iceshrimp. It allow us to express our feeling
What other interesting software/website that tried something different do you know ?
For now, i only know slashdot and tournesol. I shared a link about quadratic vote because i find it more interesting than voting yes-no.
What way do you imagine to highlight content and improve search, discoverability ?
Maybe a debate mode ?
For example, here, under this post, we are sharing the pro and con of the voting system and our thoughts.
- What if we have a nice board that sum up all our argument and analyse our link via a bias system ? As the website alternative to.
- Or we can also underline part of a comment and add link, comment, share our opinion. It would be a threaded quote system.
I hope we will see other example that can inspire us.
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The problem then is that by responding, you're engaging with it which typically helps it spread in the algorithms*. Ideally there should be multiple downvote options - maybe separate it out as "misinformation" vs "bad opinion" or something. Removing downvotes and banning users who disagree is the typical cult strategy (recall the classic cult sub, r/thedonald, was notorious for this). If you're worried about downvotes being used to silence people, maybe another way to mitigate that would be a "sort by downvoted" option so that being downvoted a lot could actually put you at the top of at least that feed.
*On Lemmy, notice the following:
Active (default): Calculates a rank based on the score and time of the latest comment, with decay over time
The problem then is that by responding, you’re engaging with it which typically helps it spread in the algorithms*
But then the solution is to fix "the algorithms". One more reason that I should say we should get rid of "votes" is that they are an artificial constraint created by the closed social media platforms that gate-keep and limit user choice. If "the alogorithms" are plentiful, easy to customize, and chosen by the user, then everyone is able to rank and sort the data as they see fit.
Removing downvotes and banning users who disagree is the typical cult strategy
The only ones with power to remove contents are moderators and admins. If moderation is transparent (as it should be), then it is easy to figure out if mods are are acting in good faith and according to the interests with the community. Then it is up to us as users to figure out if we should continue participating in that community or leave it behiind.
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Hi,
i want to explore the various way we can highlight content.
Currently, on the threadiverse, we use vote to show our approval, discontent...and we can couple it with a bot for moderation. Or hide post below a certain score...
Some instance completly removed downvote as Beehaw. Piefed is experimenting private vote. On other fediverse software, mastodon, iceshrimp, there is no downvote and we use emojis to express our feelings.
You also have website as https://slashdot.org/ where you can tell that comment was insightfull or a troll, or funny...
There is also also website that compare software or video as https://tournesol.app/
- Do you think vote sould be private ? Public ? And why ?
- Are you sastified with the current voting system ? And why ?
- What other interesting software/website that tried something different do you know ?
- What way do you imagine to highlight content and improve search, discoverability ?
Voting is fine the way it is.
Any instances with issues can change settings for themselves.
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Hi,
i want to explore the various way we can highlight content.
Currently, on the threadiverse, we use vote to show our approval, discontent...and we can couple it with a bot for moderation. Or hide post below a certain score...
Some instance completly removed downvote as Beehaw. Piefed is experimenting private vote. On other fediverse software, mastodon, iceshrimp, there is no downvote and we use emojis to express our feelings.
You also have website as https://slashdot.org/ where you can tell that comment was insightfull or a troll, or funny...
There is also also website that compare software or video as https://tournesol.app/
- Do you think vote sould be private ? Public ? And why ?
- Are you sastified with the current voting system ? And why ?
- What other interesting software/website that tried something different do you know ?
- What way do you imagine to highlight content and improve search, discoverability ?
I thought about how to game this. If you're running the election you'd make the number of points really small so that people would have to choose between an agenda item or several or your pick or you do a prime number times a perfect square, for example 5×9 that way voters can't put more than 9 in any category without it not resulting in a perfect integer. Of course you say that resulting vote could result in integer values.
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They're not. Each post's upvoters are visible via ActivityPub endpoints.
There are no endpoints from which the votes can be fetched. One would have to make an instance to receive the
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Yea, the best solution is:
- Keep votes "semi-public" (visible to mods/admins) to aid in moderation and avoid vote manipulation.
- Make it very clear to users that votes are not private.
As long as users know that votes are not private, it should be okay.
Problem is, if it's visible to mods, it's effectively public.
This also presumes mods are, by default, inherently non-biased, held to a standard, and never have vendettas of their own.
Of all the many things reddit did poorly, choosing not to let mods see votes was an excellent decision.
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Problem is, if it's visible to mods, it's effectively public.
This also presumes mods are, by default, inherently non-biased, held to a standard, and never have vendettas of their own.
Of all the many things reddit did poorly, choosing not to let mods see votes was an excellent decision.
This also presumes mods are, by default, inherently non-biased, held to a standard, and never have vendettas of their own.
Of course mods are not always like that. But if mods are like that, just go to another community. If mods are bad, just leave. On the fediverse, you "vote" with where you participate.
